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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @Filmnoir11

      I agree messaging is imperfect. But at the same time, it is not helpful to say we need to be overstating what we know. Ultimately that undermines trust which increases hesitancy.

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    2. Filmnoir‏ @Filmnoir11 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen

      My problem is that you had mocked and dismissed Zeynep's anecdotes of hesitancy as data at the same using another users' stories of access to bolster your argument.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    3. Filmnoir‏ @Filmnoir11 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @Filmnoir11 @angie_rasmussen

      Frankly, I'm quite let down to your responses to Zeynep's concerns regarding messaging.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 10 Feb 2021
      Replying to @Filmnoir11

      It’s not just Zeynep insisting that vaccine hesitancy is the direct result of honest “messaging” while dismissing larger issues of access. Of course hesitancy is a major issue but scolding scientists for truthfully discussing data—while offering no data herself—oversimplifies it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 10 Feb 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

      Zeynep has no background in virology or vaccinology and yet she sees fit to tell those who do how they should communicate on these topics based on some tweets she saw. Most scientists (self included) have been saying what she’s claiming we aren’t (we don’t know but expect...)

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

      Man! Someone pointed me here. *waves at subtweet* There’s a lot of claims here about things I did NOT say or claim (like no scientist is saying this? Whenever did I day that? Plus, I’m talking about what the public is hearing from authorities & media, not scientists on Twitter.)

      1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

      Also it’s pretty easy to hold multiple thoughts here. Pointing out one problem doesn’t mean the others don’t exist. Access, equity, historical mistrust... None of those mean they can’t be a *different* problem with a particular message that may affect another group.

      1 reply 1 retweet 18 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dr. Angela Rasmussen

      Finally, the whole time, the thing I’m pushing for is to say exactly what you’re saying here which is we don’t know fully yet but we expect... Can’t believe we’re manufacturing a disagreement out of what I’m advocating for: messaging that’s exactly what you say you already say.https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1359507258359439366 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Dr. Angela RasmussenVerified account @angie_rasmussen
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11
      Zeynep has no background in virology or vaccinology and yet she sees fit to tell those who do how they should communicate on these topics based on some tweets she saw. Most scientists (self included) have been saying what she’s claiming we aren’t (we don’t know but expect...)
      3 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    9. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @Filmnoir11

      I've discussed this with you directly. You have made it a point to say that "experts" are bungling communications about vaccines by saying "we don't know" about transmission and then further saying that drives hesitancy by citing what you've seen on social media. That's not data.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep @Filmnoir11

      Furthermore, I am asked about this all the time. So are most of my colleagues. EVERYONE I've seen has said that we anticipate transmission will be reduced but we need to wait for data, which is exactly what you assert we aren't saying and that this fuels hesitancy.

      3 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

      And every time we have this discussion, tons of people pop up and say that they know lots of people who believe that’s not the case. I do myself! This is not about what everyone *you know* says to their own people. It’s not about you at all! It’s the broad messaging out there.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 11 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @Filmnoir11

          Of course it's not about me and of course there are some people who misinterpret imperfect messaging. I'm saying this is not what I've observed about the "broad messaging." CDC and WHO have both discussed the nuances around the transmission issue extensively!

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Feb 2021
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @Filmnoir11

          I wish that were true―that there was broad public messaging that said "here's what we expect from preliminary data: that the vaccines will blunt transmission. We're waiting for X, Y, Z benchmarks to update our guidance on behavior. Meanwhile, here's the variant threat so..."

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
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