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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021

      joseph osmundson (all pronouns) Retweeted Nick Rafter

      @zeynep look at alllllll these tweets of people saying they won't wear masks once they get the jab! i wonder if they'll wear them for the first month after, when their immunity is still low!https://twitter.com/NRafter/status/1359354728174530560 …

      joseph osmundson (all pronouns) added,

      Nick Rafter @NRafter
      Replying to @reluctantlyjoe @brooklynmike21 and 3 others
      I'm with him, and since I'm not getting vaccinated for another 3-4 months at least, I'm sure it won't be an issue.
      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @reluctantlyjoe

      Yes, those people exist and you aren't going to scold them into wearing masks. The non-compliant are polarized and non-compliant. In fact, I think we have a better shot with the noncompliant if we express more honest uncertainty.

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    3. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      these folks are saying they're compliant now but won't be once get they get the shot. and honest uncertainty is exactly what i'm arguing for!

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @reluctantlyjoe

      So, what part of "let's tell people that vaccines *will* likely reduce transmission, but we're waiting for more data on how much to adjust policy" is not honest uncertainty? Bluntly, I think "we don't know at all" is incorrect certainty.

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    5. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      you're sayin "likely" here, and I agree with. "Vaccines will likely reduce transmission" and "vaccines will prevent transmission" are VERY DIFFERENT MESSAGES fwiw I agree with "vaccines will likely reduce transmission". Can we agree on science/messaging there?

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    6. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @reluctantlyjoe @zeynep

      *ugh type, ignore the word with in the first sentence sorrrrrry

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @reluctantlyjoe

      Okay. So the whole time, not once, not anywhere, have I advocated saying "vaccines will prevent transmission" without a clear "we expect" "likely" "probably" and adding "we're waiting for more data." THAT IS NOT CURRENT MESSAGING. I think it should be.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @reluctantlyjoe

      (Even that macaque study had reduced viral loads but anyway). The current messaging is "we don't know" and it is widely interpreted as "they won't" because that's how it communicates—this has been a problem the whole pandemic. The "no evidence" statements need calibration.

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        1. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          not significantly and not in the nose, where the virus is transmitted, but anyway.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @reluctantlyjoe

          "We have no evidence of immunity" or "we don't know if infection provides immunity" was the spring message when it should have been "of course we expect infection to provide immunity but we don't know for how long and how strong." The former is heard as "it does NOT."

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        3. joseph osmundson (all pronouns)‏ @reluctantlyjoe 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep

          i didn't message it that way. i'm saying *your* saying time and time again in this thread that we DO know – and your saying it months ago when we didn't (probably was even wrong then) is not truthful.

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