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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. halvorz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯‏ @halvorz 9 Feb 2021

      halvorz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      its remarkable how frequently garret gets shit wrong even by the low standards of science journalismhttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1359225865939406857 …

      halvorz ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Oh come on. "95% efficacy" for either Moderna or Pfizer in the FDA process DOES NOT mean "95% less severe hospitalizations and death in vax'ed individuals." This is a strikingly incorrect "correction." https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1359219118315036673 …
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    2. alex rubinsteyn‏ @iskander 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @halvorz

      I muted her and EFD back in the days of snakes and HIV inserts. They at least don't have some weird committed ideology like the GBD folks but...very low signal:noise

      2 replies 0 retweets 18 likes
    3. Deepta Bhattacharya‏ @deeptabhattacha 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @iskander @halvorz

      Same muting strategy. Some apocalyptic tweets from people, including this pair (and, ahem, a former CDC director (and head of IHME)) I think say more about their own outlook on life than they do about the science or data.

      1 reply 2 retweets 26 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @deeptabhattacha @iskander @halvorz

      But how are people not reading all the papers supposed to navigate this? Sources look legit enough. I have friends ready to jump off the ledge because they think this will never end because "vaccines don't prevent transmission" or "variants have made them six-fold less effective"

      4 replies 4 retweets 49 likes
    5. alex rubinsteyn‏ @iskander 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @deeptabhattacha @halvorz

      It's a very difficult information landscape for most people to navigate. Even experts of all stripes get confused or locked into outdated models of the evidence constantly. I try not to blame anyone for even crazy seeming ideas about the pandemic, we're not organized for this.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
      Replying to @iskander @deeptabhattacha @halvorz

      So, this is fascinating. I think there is legit intra-science disagreement. I tend not to have an opinion on that part as it’s not my field. There is also a tension between what I’m calling philosophical frequentism vs a meta approach: focusing on mechanisms, priors, trade-offs.

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        2. alex rubinsteyn‏ @iskander 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @deeptabhattacha @halvorz

          Philosophical frequentism = dichotomization into "known fact" and "no / not enough evidence for claim"?

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @iskander @deeptabhattacha @halvorz

          Yeah. “We have no idea if infection confers any immunity” in spring. “We have no idea if vaccines will reduce transmission” now. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fine with “we don’t know enough to change policy yet.” But that’s different than we have no idea.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Feb 2021
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          I’m definitely im favor of the ladder and waded into stuff there—not always welcome.😄 It will be very interesting to go back retrospectively, and to separate the clinical reflexes (valid in their domain: do no harm, null hypothesis) from public health approaches (trade-offs).

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        3. alex rubinsteyn‏ @iskander 9 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @deeptabhattacha @halvorz

          I'm surprised you call it a public health approach though, since so much of Western public health has been lagging behind accumulating evidence while waiting for a moment of certainty. Isn't that what you're calling the "clinical" approach to evidence (e.g. wait for the RCT)?

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