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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      There is a range of views among public health officials as well. So which public health officials should step up/be listened to? The problem of mixed messaging doesn't go away by sidelining the scientists.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

      CDC for the US, obviously. Be first, be right, be credible. Plus, look at these headlines. You know this doesn't mean the vaccine is six times less effective. But how do you think such headlines get interpreted? People are getting despondent.pic.twitter.com/zH1L7L7xHW

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    3. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      I have very frequently participated in conversations and done my own threads trying to explain the vaccine data and that yes it's not 6 times less effective. I am not, however, a public health official. The implication of your suggestions is despite being right, I should stop.

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    4. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      "be right" - but how do you immediately know what is right in all situations. Unsupported claims of certainty do no one any favors.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

      So what should people not lucky enough to find your threads but run into an 🚨🚨🚨 you-know-who thread needlessly scaring people do? How can they figure out why what IMHE said doesn't make sense? CDC is in the right position to get in front of this.

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    6. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      I'm not the only person doing this. It was just one example. But since people can't pick and choose which scientists to take seriously the implication is we should all stop. The IHME commentary is idiotic and I'd love for media to check with experts before amplifying it.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

      That implicated wasn't said, stated, implied or something I'd ever advocate for. I'm personally outspoken—sometimes to dissent and discomfort—and have never once advocated for experts not to communicate, and besides, that would just leave more void for snake oil.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

      What needs to happen is for the confusing landscape to get better and clearer, especially around the vaccines won't work and pandemic won't end doom (and I can't convince you it's there but I see it, a lot, and it's spreading).

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    9. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      I believe it's there! I also believe that if experts communicating with the public is incomprehensible due to disagreement in the field (your contention) that the solution is for experts to guard against confusion by holding back from communicating.

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    10. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

      Which, yes, we can say only CDC should communicate with the public so there's a single unified voice. That's fine, maybe it's right! But the implication is to get experts out of the public sphere, since they often disagree with each other.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

      Not only is there no such implication, and something I'd never advocate for, it is not possible or desirable and the void would be filled with snake oil. I do, however, think you're underestimating how confusing it is out there. Blue checks, Harvard positions, PhDs... It exists.

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        2. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

          I think I’ve conceded/agreed that there is confusion out there. I see it as well because I get questions in person and via DM.

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        3. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 5 Feb 2021
          Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep @ChachaMarquis

          I disagree on whether there is such an implication, but content to leave it there.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 5 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

          You're assuming I advocate that we solve confusion by shuttting everyone up? Not only no, it would clearly make things worse. But definitely need aggressive authoritative messaging to help people navigate this. It's the problem of the new public sphere. Need more.

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        3. BravoPeach‏ @BravoPeach 5 Feb 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst @ChachaMarquis

          You are being exceedingly patient with someone bent on the idea he wouldn’t be the most important person in the room.

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