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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      If that’s not your intent, fine, I accept that. But consider perhaps the way you frame your criticisms and their impact on the targets and whether we’ll be better off if scientists withdraw from science communication.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @tarahaelle and

      In this thread, I've responded to a claim that the NYT article (which I did not write) about the evolution of messaging was irresponsible and harmful. I completely disagree on that, and again, if deferring to expertise, this is very much a field where *I'm* the expert.

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    3. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @tarahaelle and

      Did you write this suggesting scientists are being dishonest and empowering charlatans or not?pic.twitter.com/4TlQLp7AAi

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    4. Erik Ness‏ @ErikNess 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      If you read this quote in the context of the op-ed from which it was taken, it was not necessarily directed at scientists, but at the conflicting messaging at the outset of this whole thing. At this point Pence had been in charge of all coronavirus messaging for nearly a month.

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    5. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ErikNess @zeynep and

      Well if it’s presented in a misleading context that’s unfortunate but in combination with at least one provably false statement about vaccines would seem to cut against this being a beneficial article!

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @ErikNess and

      Look, this is a common response I get. I've been seeing this since December. People are being led to believe that we already know they do NOT reduce transmission. And this has become an antivaxxer talking point (why bother, it was bait and switch etc)pic.twitter.com/USp8rNZaMF

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    8. Deepta Bhattacharya‏ @deeptabhattacha 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @andrew_croxford @zeynep and

      I think there are some subtle things that can help. E.g. establishing priors. 'We don’t know how long immunity will last.' vs. 'We don’t know how long immunity will last, but if it is like the first SARS coronavirus, it will last for at least several years.'

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    9. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @deeptabhattacha @andrew_croxford and

      I don't know that the first SARS is a better prior than endemic CoVs frankly but my line from very early on was very good protection for at least 6 months and at least some protection for a much longer time-frame. Also limited #s of patients from SARS1 studied.

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    10. Deepta Bhattacharya‏ @deeptabhattacha 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @stgoldst @andrew_croxford and

      Yeah we can certainly debate what the most informative prior is. But I do think it helps to provide some context as to our thinking.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Jan 2021
      Replying to @deeptabhattacha @stgoldst and

      Totally. Establishing priors and context *really* helps messaging. "We don't yet know how much transmission will be dampened because the data on that part isn't yet fully in, but preliminary results suggest at least somewhat, and most vaccines with such high levels of efficacy.."

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 19 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @deeptabhattacha and

          One of the problems that plagues messaging is how the (often null-hypothesis trained) scientists communicate versus how it is heard. Colloquially, "no evidence for.." is often heard as "evidence that there there is no.." [immunity/benefit etc.] (Not my rules, just the way it is).

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        3. Deepta Bhattacharya‏ @deeptabhattacha 19 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

          And to follow, I don't think we should be forced to express more certainty than we are comfortable with. But then it helps to give priors as to why we are uncertain. E.g. flu vaccines kinda suck, but MMR is great. Not sure how this one will be. Then people can understand context.

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