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    1. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @notdred @angie_rasmussen and

      Yes, agreed, that's worse. And frankly, so is "you have zero risk if you hang out with other vaccinated people."

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    2. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @RidleyDM @notdred and

      I was responding to the back-and-forth upthread which seemed to be suggesting we need data showing there is no transmission risk before we modify recommendations. We will probably never get that data, and so probably need to be a little more nuanced.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. Edward Nirenberg‏ @ENirenberg 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @RidleyDM @notdred and

      There are human challenge studies being prepared in Europe. They will likely be able to give a definitive answer on this question.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ENirenberg @notdred and

      What I meant was we probably won't get the data because it's probably not true that there is zero transmission risk. Isn't it unlikely that if the vaccine is less than 100% effective at stopping symptomatic disease, it's 100% effective at stopping transmission?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Edward Nirenberg‏ @ENirenberg 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @RidleyDM @notdred and

      On a per-person basis yes, but I believe as uptake rises you get additive indirect effects from the collective "herd," but let me check with an expert- @nataliexdean if you have a minute I think your insights would be really helpful here

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ENirenberg @RidleyDM and

      Yes, I think the emphasis should be on getting as many people vaccinated as possible, and the benefits eventually manifest on a population basis. And we see meaningful improvement sooner if we're trying to keep R as low as possible while we roll out vaccines

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    7. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @notdred @ENirenberg and

      Agreed. "Yes, vaccines probably reduce transmission, but probably not perfectly—so the safest and best way to get our normal lives back is to keep masking/distancing until vaccines help cases drop."

      2 replies 3 retweets 10 likes
    8. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @RidleyDM @notdred and

      David Ridley Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      A timely article (which conveys the same point I'm making, perhaps a bit more aggressively):https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1351208819892826113?s=20 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Good coverage of the latest messaging disaster, in a year with many. We are dramatically underselling the amazing vaccines, exaggrating the uncertainties and people trying to emphasize the good news are being drowned out, or worse. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/18/briefing/donald-trump-pardon-phil-spector-coronavirus-deaths.html …
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    9. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @RidleyDM @ENirenberg and

      I still just don’t know who @zeynep and others are referring to. I keep seeing Frieden’s depressing tweet referenced. Besides that I see a lot of people extremely enthusiastic about vaccines who are just saying please keep masks on until we know more and/or more people are vaxed

      3 replies 1 retweet 20 likes
    10. Seth Trueger‏Verified account @MDaware 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @notdred @RidleyDM and

      lots of media coverage of side effects/allergies (despite v low rates) plus tons of "obviously we should be doing ____ instead" (prioritizing different groups, "not" prioritizing at all, single doses, etc) and of course tons of antivax garbage

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Jan 2021
      Replying to @MDaware @notdred and

      The dominance of “don’t take your masks off now” and “vaccines won’t change what you can do” and “we don’t know if they prevent transmissions” articles and viral tweets is a crime against public health in the first month of the rollout when those points should be footnotes.

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        2. Dr Ed‏ @notdred 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          By all means I think we should message enthusiastically, and those who follow me know I’ve always tweeted enthusiastically about vaccines, but I still think there must be a way to do so without literally telling people they never need to mask again once they’re vaccinated

          3 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
        3. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @notdred @zeynep and

          I don't think anyone here is suggesting that either extreme oversimplification is fine on its own.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          They should not be footnotes. First, it’s an important precaution to not take masks off right now when transmission remains out of control. Second, vaccines won’t address the immediate short-term problem, which is, again, uncontrolled community transmission.

          2 replies 10 retweets 59 likes
        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

          Behavioral NPIs remain essential until enough people have been vaccinated that we can relax them. Third, the transmission question is essential & we should communicate that directly. It’s not a message of despair that vaccines are a long-term solution, not an immediate one.

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        2. Julian‏ @julianlewis2012 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          That’s very insightful re footnotes - we are focusing on uncertainties as of *now* even though the vast majority can’t get a vaccine *now.* Focus on the great benefits and endgame of vaccination at this point, and quibble about restrictions when we know more and it’s relevant.

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        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @julianlewis2012 @zeynep and

          Many are, but we still need to urge people to double down on ALL behavioral interventions given the current state of the pandemic in the US (and elsewhere) right now. We need to increase vaccine demand while doing so, but we won’t do that by overstating vaccine efficacy.

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        1. Kit Miller‏ @millerkit 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          Online media seems biased in favor of the counterintuitive or surprising. If the reward system for online media is page views, is it assumed or proven that surprising news spreads more than hopeful news?

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        2. Zackary Berger‏ @DrZackaryBerger 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          But we can message that vaccines are wonderful *and* tell the truth about the transmission evidence, right?

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        3. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @DrZackaryBerger @zeynep

          We should do that, but that segues into trying not to say "we don't know if vaccines reduce transmission," which is commonplace but verges on overstatement at this point. What we don't know is how much; "they don't at all" would be shocking.

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        1. Carolyn Porco‏Verified account @carolynporco 18 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @MDaware and

          A crime against public health?! And until we have shown that THESE vaccines prevent transmission, ppl need to continue to wear masks and be cautious about others. What is the crime in that?

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