No, I'm not raising security concerns. That's something totally different. Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted and thus presents no extra challenge compared to Facebook groups. Again: TELEGRAM GROUPS ARE NOT EVER ENCRYPTED. EVER. Single chats, only optionally (WhatsApp by default).
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And lol to Durov's "free speech absolutism." Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted, and Durov is not a free speech absolutist.pic.twitter.com/uoowVnxUTj
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Replying to @zeynep
Yes, the sarcasm there didn’t carry. Don’t think we have differing opinions on this. I am aware telegram groups aren’t encrypted and that encryption is opt in.
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Then we should not refer to it as an "encrypted messenger". That term should have no use in describing that app. Plus, the disinfo challenges of people moving to Telegram are the same as people being already on Facebook groups as far as encryption or publicness goes.
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I guess my experience in Russia and Ukraine colors how I think of it. It was and is used messaging there because of its encryption value.
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What encryption value, though? It has much, much less encryption value compared to WhatsApp, Signal, iMessage and a million other apps out there. I know it's widely believed to have some extra encryption value but it's just not the case.
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Ukrainians and Russians (and others in the post Soviet space, especially dissidents) were early adopters and though it’s not any better, they’ve stuck with it.
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I think they falsely believe—like many others—it is an encrypted messenger. Hence my sensitivity to not furthering that myth.
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There’s also lots of other factors that make Telegram attractive, such as its efforts to keep the app accessible despite censorship/blocking attempts (e.g., in Russia and Belarus). But that’s separate from encryption.
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I’d also say users in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus have very different perceptions of Telegram and its value, coloured by the local contexts.
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Sure. Let's just not incorrectly call it an encrypted messenger... It's widely used in Hong Kong too (lots of complicated reasons—I did primary research on this. Most of it has to do with the reputational damage of Facebook, the phone number issue, etc.)
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Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia
Exactly! “Encryption” has become this weird reputation marker (or scarecrow) with no real connection to what each app actually offers in terms of encryption protocols or tech. Precise language is important.
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