I think raising the security concerns the app has is critical and understand why you made the distinction. I think the problems presented by non-public vs encrypted means of comms vary. Eg if they wanted to, platforms could keep a closer eye on groups, DMs, etc. (cont.)
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Replying to @wiczipedia @zeynep
But that’s not possible in the encrypted environment. Telegram channels are a class of their own, clearly. Still coordination happening in the encrypted conversations ppl are having. There are also worrisome implications about Durov’s free speech absolutism, etc.
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Replying to @wiczipedia
No, I'm not raising security concerns. That's something totally different. Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted and thus presents no extra challenge compared to Facebook groups. Again: TELEGRAM GROUPS ARE NOT EVER ENCRYPTED. EVER. Single chats, only optionally (WhatsApp by default).
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Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia
And lol to Durov's "free speech absolutism." Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted, and Durov is not a free speech absolutist.pic.twitter.com/uoowVnxUTj
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Replying to @zeynep
Yes, the sarcasm there didn’t carry. Don’t think we have differing opinions on this. I am aware telegram groups aren’t encrypted and that encryption is opt in.
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Replying to @wiczipedia
Then we should not refer to it as an "encrypted messenger". That term should have no use in describing that app. Plus, the disinfo challenges of people moving to Telegram are the same as people being already on Facebook groups as far as encryption or publicness goes.
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Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia
Somehow Telegram has succeeded in marketing itself as an encrypted messenger, and that is utterly baffling to me!
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Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia
why are you, or why should we be so obsessed on end-to-end encryption as being the sole way of ensuring content privacy? AFAIK Telegram chats and groups are still encrypted although with a different cloud-based mechanism (See MTProto 2.0) Doesn't this qualify it to be encrypted?
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The reason Telegram Messenger is referred to be an encrypted messenger is because when MTProto encryption was introduced by Telegram, Whatsapp was not using end-to-end encryption. So, Telegram was deemed to be more secure than Whatsapp back in those days.
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There is at least 1 paper on arXiv that proposes a formal verification proof of Telegram's MTProto protocol and states that the method is sound. + There were no breaches whatsoever into Telegram servers in the past. They also seemingly have a 300K bounty contest for sec. vulnrs.
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It is not end-to-end encrypted for any groups, and only for single chats IF you turn it on, so this is all irrelevant. Telegram can read all your group messages, and WhatsApp and Signal cannot!
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