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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia

      Telegram keeps being referred to as an "encrypted messenger" when it is anything but, so that's why I objected. I'm guessing you mean non-public? That's a totally different concept. That said, Facebook groups are already non-public. Shift away from Twitter is something else.

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    2. Nina Jankowicz‏Verified account @wiczipedia 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think raising the security concerns the app has is critical and understand why you made the distinction. I think the problems presented by non-public vs encrypted means of comms vary. Eg if they wanted to, platforms could keep a closer eye on groups, DMs, etc. (cont.)

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    3. Nina Jankowicz‏Verified account @wiczipedia 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia @zeynep

      But that’s not possible in the encrypted environment. Telegram channels are a class of their own, clearly. Still coordination happening in the encrypted conversations ppl are having. There are also worrisome implications about Durov’s free speech absolutism, etc.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia

      No, I'm not raising security concerns. That's something totally different. Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted and thus presents no extra challenge compared to Facebook groups. Again: TELEGRAM GROUPS ARE NOT EVER ENCRYPTED. EVER. Single chats, only optionally (WhatsApp by default).

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia

      And lol to Durov's "free speech absolutism." Telegram groups ARE NOT encrypted, and Durov is not a free speech absolutist.pic.twitter.com/uoowVnxUTj

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    6. Nina Jankowicz‏Verified account @wiczipedia 13 Jan 2021
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      Yes, the sarcasm there didn’t carry. Don’t think we have differing opinions on this. I am aware telegram groups aren’t encrypted and that encryption is opt in.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia

      Then we should not refer to it as an "encrypted messenger". That term should have no use in describing that app. Plus, the disinfo challenges of people moving to Telegram are the same as people being already on Facebook groups as far as encryption or publicness goes.

      2 replies 4 retweets 26 likes
    8. Nina Jankowicz‏Verified account @wiczipedia 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      I guess my experience in Russia and Ukraine colors how I think of it. It was and is used messaging there because of its encryption value.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia

      What encryption value, though? It has much, much less encryption value compared to WhatsApp, Signal, iMessage and a million other apps out there. I know it's widely believed to have some extra encryption value but it's just not the case.

      1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
    10. Nina Jankowicz‏Verified account @wiczipedia 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep

      Ukrainians and Russians (and others in the post Soviet space, especially dissidents) were early adopters and though it’s not any better, they’ve stuck with it.🤷🏻‍♀️

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Jan 2021
      Replying to @wiczipedia

      I think they falsely believe—like many others—it is an encrypted messenger. Hence my sensitivity to not furthering that myth.

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        2. Tanya Lokot‏ @tanyalokot 13 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia

          There’s also lots of other factors that make Telegram attractive, such as its efforts to keep the app accessible despite censorship/blocking attempts (e.g., in Russia and Belarus). But that’s separate from encryption.

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        3. Tanya Lokot‏ @tanyalokot 13 Jan 2021
          Replying to @tanyalokot @zeynep @wiczipedia

          I’d also say users in Ukraine, Russia and Belarus have very different perceptions of Telegram and its value, coloured by the local contexts.

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        1. Richard Schwartz‏ @ResearchLaw 15 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @wiczipedia

          What are your thoughts about businesses/enterprises/institutions using the marketing language “military-grade” “bank-grade” encryption? Is it misleading to consumers? Does this language denote encryption both in transit and at rest?

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