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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH‏Verified account @ashishkjha 4 Jan 2021

      Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH Retweeted Robert Wiblin

      An excellent thread on epistemology What do we know and how do we know it? A narrow view of what we know, what is data can lead us into mental traps This is not about delayed vs immediate vaccine doses This is about what do we mean when we say, follow the science. H/T @zeynephttps://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1345800480144945152 …

      Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH added,

      Robert Wiblin @robertwiblin
      A serious reasoning error that is particularly common among educated people is to argue that if a study hasn't been done on a particular question we have 'no data', and therefore no basis on which to form beliefs or act. This is incorrect and dangerous. 1/
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      15 replies 58 retweets 184 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ashishkjha

      And thank you for being out there with reasoned discussion on this obviously thorny, complex topic. It's much easier to stay quiet or to advocate for what appears bureaucratically safe rather than dive into discussions of trade-off in the face of uncertainty and a dire situation.

      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      We've all been diving into these trade-offs, even if we think a shift from a regimen with documented, robust efficacy to one with less certain effects is unwise. Juxtaposing it as "reasoned discussion" vs "bureaucratic safety" is your own value judgment coming into play here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      There *has* been a lot of bureaucratic safetyism—not just talking about the vaccine debate—but obviously that doesn't mean everyone I disagree with is doing that. (Moreover, in this case I don't even have the basis to defend strong opinion on either side).

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      OK, sorry I misread the response in this case.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Marc Lipsitch‏Verified account @mlipsitch 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @ashishkjha

      I started out seeing it as mostly bureaucratic defensiveness but now see that there are a range of reasons why people are concerned about delaying 2nd dose. I don't find them compelling at the moment but I think reasonable scientists and others can disagree on this one.

      2 replies 4 retweets 16 likes
    7. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @mlipsitch @zeynep @ashishkjha

      I'd just like a structured conversation to happen about this with all pros and cons on the table, not just about the efficacy, duration of effect questions, but the other trade-offs we need to manage. Again VRBPAC makes sense, but FDA can also hold ad-hoc meetings too.

      1 reply 2 retweets 13 likes
    8. Saad B. Omer‏Verified account @SaadOmer3 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @mlipsitch and

      You are correct that structured discussions need to happen on this; but a lot of these have been happening in various advisory/working groups for a while. It often feels that Twitter is driving scientific conversations - which is only partially true.

      4 replies 3 retweets 15 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @SaadOmer3 @gregggonsalves and

      Indeed. Plus, those bodies often have access to non-public/emergent data. The UK situation does not look reassuring and we are so frustratingly slow with the vaccine roll-out.

      11:37 AM - 4 Jan 2021
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