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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ashishkjha

      And thank you for being out there with reasoned discussion on this obviously thorny, complex topic. It's much easier to stay quiet or to advocate for what appears bureaucratically safe rather than dive into discussions of trade-off in the face of uncertainty and a dire situation.

      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
    2. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      We've all been diving into these trade-offs, even if we think a shift from a regimen with documented, robust efficacy to one with less certain effects is unwise. Juxtaposing it as "reasoned discussion" vs "bureaucratic safety" is your own value judgment coming into play here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      There *has* been a lot of bureaucratic safetyism—not just talking about the vaccine debate—but obviously that doesn't mean everyone I disagree with is doing that. (Moreover, in this case I don't even have the basis to defend strong opinion on either side).

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      And sorry but the epistemology stuff is slightly annoying. We've had three decades of assault on the regulatory state pushing for less evidence for public policies, particularly at FDA, eroding evidence base, while we pay higher prices than ever for what we get. 1/

      1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
    5. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @ashishkjha

      And the call: rely on real world evidence, other kinds of data, personalized medicine, because RCTs are the 20th century's tool. The same logic applies: people are dying we have to move more quickly, trade answers for access. 2/

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @ashishkjha

      These calls for more epistemological flexibility and nuance play out in regulatory policies that are championed by the libertarian right. 3/

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    7. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep @ashishkjha

      Gee. Why would you say that, Greg? http://www.robwiblin.com pic.twitter.com/XGnHWQnNoo

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @Merz @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      This doesn't get far. There are lots of reasonable points made by people with agendas I'd disagree with. "Oh no a good point Y made by someone who's wrong on X" is not a way to debate, or even successfully oppose X. If anything, you're letting them have Y.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @Merz and

      (Also this is why a lot of ideologies that should not have a chance succeed—because their foundations are weak—work so well in the public sphere—people think we can just ignore any point they may have. Recipe for letting them win).

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    10. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      The thread is shallow and reductive. But hey, it does confirm your contrarian priors.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @Merz @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      Everything I actually advocated for ahead of its time—before they were official positions—this pandemic is now global or US public policy. See, you're ceding all that ground to contrarianism. Okay! (I have no position on the delayed booster, as I keep telling you, just on trial).

      8:37 AM - 4 Jan 2021
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        2. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 4 Jan 2021
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

          "Everything"

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        3. Alex Merz‏ @Merz 4 Jan 2021
          Replying to @Merz @zeynep and

          And yes, you do have a clear position on the delayed booster. Essentially everything you've tweeted advocates for it.

          3 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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