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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH‏Verified account @ashishkjha 4 Jan 2021

      Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH Retweeted Robert Wiblin

      An excellent thread on epistemology What do we know and how do we know it? A narrow view of what we know, what is data can lead us into mental traps This is not about delayed vs immediate vaccine doses This is about what do we mean when we say, follow the science. H/T @zeynephttps://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1345800480144945152 …

      Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH added,

      Robert Wiblin @robertwiblin
      A serious reasoning error that is particularly common among educated people is to argue that if a study hasn't been done on a particular question we have 'no data', and therefore no basis on which to form beliefs or act. This is incorrect and dangerous. 1/
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @ashishkjha

      And thank you for being out there with reasoned discussion on this obviously thorny, complex topic. It's much easier to stay quiet or to advocate for what appears bureaucratically safe rather than dive into discussions of trade-off in the face of uncertainty and a dire situation.

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    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      We've all been diving into these trade-offs, even if we think a shift from a regimen with documented, robust efficacy to one with less certain effects is unwise. Juxtaposing it as "reasoned discussion" vs "bureaucratic safety" is your own value judgment coming into play here.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      There *has* been a lot of bureaucratic safetyism—not just talking about the vaccine debate—but obviously that doesn't mean everyone I disagree with is doing that. (Moreover, in this case I don't even have the basis to defend strong opinion on either side).

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    5. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      OK, sorry I misread the response in this case.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @ashishkjha

      No problem. It's pretty clear that there are reasoned arguments for and against any schedule changes, though it may well be that it doesn't matter anyway because we are so slow. But important to watch what happens in UK, which should give us more information.

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    7. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
      Replying to @zeynep @ashishkjha

      Agree, but it's a little bit of a natural experiment on the British people, which makes me more than a bit squeamish particularly after UK doctors association even objected.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 4 Jan 2021
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      But many British doctors/scientists support the decision as well & I can't just assume JCVI are idiots. It's not an easy decision because this is what they're facing. They have no "safe" path. I don't claim to have an answer myself. Hope they collect data. https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/1345861724843474945 …

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        1. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 4 Jan 2021
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          I hope they collect data too!

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