I'd like to highlight a point about epistemology. Many people—scientists and journalists—with infectious disease experience immediately pegged this as the next potential SARS. It had all the hallmarks. Nothing was certain, but it wasn't that we had "no data." We always have data.https://twitter.com/DimaBabilie/status/1345861726370205696 …
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted Robert Wiblin
Here's a good thread about the "no data" fallacy. (You don't have to agree with it's conclusions—point is the epistemology). A bureaucratic "no data" doesn't equal scientific "no data". Imperfect, incomplete, uncertain yes. "No data" is almost never true.https://twitter.com/robertwiblin/status/1345800480144945152 …
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Robert Wiblin @robertwiblinA serious reasoning error that is particularly common among educated people is to argue that if a study hasn't been done on a particular question we have 'no data', and therefore no basis on which to form beliefs or act. This is incorrect and dangerous. 1/Show this thread5 replies 41 retweets 202 likesShow this thread -
zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dr Seán DOOLAN 🐇 🤗 💙 🍃 💚 ☘️
Policy (and thus public health) will necessarily involve working with imperfect, incomplete data, and (sometimes terrible) trade-offs. Mike Ryan of WHO had it right. "If you need to be right before you move, you will never win." Hence all these debates.https://twitter.com/i/status/1346073730510954498 …
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0:45Dr Seán DOOLAN 🐇 🤗 💙 🍃 💚 ☘️ @SDinPraxisAs Mike Ryan of WHO said in March, drawing from decades of experience in emergency response medicine and disease outbreaks Have to move FAST to stay ahead Economy is BASED on health, cannot be health for some, economy for others https://twitter.com/Jeremy_Hunt/status/1346065152085532672 … pic.twitter.com/aZEZ0sKl9l2 replies 35 retweets 161 likesShow this thread -
I'm not arguing here about any particular debate but the fallacy that's plagued a lot of this discussion. There is of course stronger/weaker and different types of evidence, different trade-offs and calculations etc. But "no data" is almost never true, and yet gets used a lot.
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zeynep tufekci Retweeted zeynep tufekci
I've been thinking that, epistemologically, that might be one of the most important lessons of last year. An implied philosophical frequentism that has plagued our analysis/action/communication.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1341452907175170050 …
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(And please don't @ me as if this is an argument about the merits of a particular vaccine scheduling or dosing. I'm talking about epistemology. There are people with impeccable credentials making important points on all sides of that & decisions will be made with imperfect data!)
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I do think it's important to recognize, however, that hardly anyone is actually saying "we have no idea if one dose works." The principal concerns are second-order effects where we (arguably) also have reasons to say it's problematic: escape variants
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Am I? At least among the people you refer to with impeccable credentials having nuanced discussions, most aren't saying we literally have no idea if one dose is effective for at least a little while. The epistemological point is important but we should be mindful of straw men.
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The world—and parts of it with impact—is much bigger than the people you follow on Twitter. That's all I have on that.
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That is a fair point. There are a *lot* of people falling prey to this fallacy (as another branch of this thread pointed out, even more on post-vaccine transmission than on dosing, I think).
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I realize I was ambiguous, sorry - when I said "hardly anyone" I meant "hardly anyone among the impeccably credentialed people you were talking about." Ah, Twitter.
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