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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dara Kass, MD

      This thread ends with "be smarter" but every stage is societal, not individual and the rapid test is the *best* part, not the problem. The family goes to work unmasked, has large "bubble", employs older nanny with no primary care doctor & own kids. Problem isn't the living room.https://twitter.com/darakass/status/1343754550562459648 …

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      Dara Kass, MDVerified account @darakass
      A 🧵 on COVID Living Room Spread: Saturday: - Older, out of the house brother wants to visit younger siblings. Mom says "get a test on the way, if you are negative you can come." - Rapid test is (-), family spends a day together inside, laughing, playing, eating. 1/
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    2. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think Dr. Kass has also been vocal about what the government should be doing. This false dichotomy is not helpful. You could equally attack your own tweets singling her out instead of blaming the CDC's lack of messaging! But we're on Twitter and the audience is individuals

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist

      I'm not attacking her! I'm pointing out that we have set people up to fail. I'm not even sure she'd disagree with what I'm adding here.

      1 reply 0 retweets 25 likes
    4. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I just don't understand this "we" framing. I don't think you or she have set anyone up to fail. But I think there is a subset of the pop who do blame journalists and doctors and will misunderstand the "we" framing of this kind of message. I think it's intended as generosity in -

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist @zeynep

      accepting everyone in society's role in societal outcomes, but it may be misleading to many people who don't know better/would like to scapegoat people like you or Dr. Kass or other experts, and of course that's many people in this climate

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    6. flipforchips‏ @flipforchips 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist @zeynep

      It seems like relevant facts and context are being provided here. How might that be “misleading”? Are you suggesting we suppress context and insight because we assume some might misinterpret it?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @flipforchips @zeynep

      It's not a fact that "we" as in any of us speaking here have set up anyone to fail. That is false and misleading. I think it's okay to use stylistically when you're addressing society as a whole, but not when you're singling out an individual, because it is actually not true.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist @flipforchips

      I am really, really, not blaming her—why would I?—which I say explicitly in the thread, and also the "we" is very much us as a society.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    9. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @flipforchips

      I understand what you meant, again I'm just saying it could be misunderstood, and it seems like Dr. Kass similarly interpreted this as direct criticism so I don't think I'm alone. No need to QT someone doing nothing wrong to make your accurate societal point

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. André Pineda‏ @drethescientist 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist @zeynep @flipforchips

      If Dr. Kass never made larger political/societal comments then it could make sense to draw the contrast but that's not the case; we're all in agreement, no "Don't do this" QTing needed. Not a big deal! Just an opinion

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @drethescientist @flipforchips

      I hope she reads the whole thread, then, and also the fact that threads like that spread so much is a symptom of how we—yes, all of us—are thinking about it: as a sum of individual choices rather than seeing how constrained we are in choices because of lack of tools/support.

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