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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dara Kass, MD‏Verified account @darakass 31 Dec 2020

      Dara Kass, MD Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Yes, our system is broken. We need more/ better testing. People need doctors, and better healthcare “Bubbles” are imperfect. But NONE of that can be corrected in the next 20 days. So “be smarter” and “learn from our mistakes” are the best we got today.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1344668764483235841 …

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      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      This thread ends with "be smarter" but every stage is societal, not individual and the rapid test is the *best* part, not the problem. The family goes to work unmasked, has large "bubble", employs older nanny with no primary care doctor & own kids. Problem isn't the living room. https://twitter.com/darakass/status/1343754550562459648 …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020
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      I don't think we are disagreeing on that. But we've set people up to fail. The nanny has no option to be "smarter" here. That family has no bubble (real bubbles are so hard to sustain). Do the best we can given all this: I totally agree. But it doesn't work for a reason.

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    3. Dara Kass, MD‏Verified account @darakass 31 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Of course people have been set up to fail. The point remains, learn what we can and be better tomorrow, where we can. Small choices add up, in both directions. This nanny was the last (+). THAT was because of testing, isolation and education. Let’s focus on that.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020
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      Again, I don't disagree that people should try to do the best they can, but I think I disagree here: The small choices aren't adding up much because many people don't have good choices available. Within that framework, sure we should strive to do our best, and I note that.

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        1. Dara Kass, MD‏Verified account @darakass 31 Dec 2020
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          We need to do the best with what we have. People aren’t doing that. My personal FB feed is proof of that.

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        1. Chris Carvalho‏ @gorgepulse 31 Dec 2020
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          KN95 masks are highly overlooked as an effective measure. An easy epidemiology study would be to ask admitted hospital patients the kind of masks they use. It would be revealing. Mask type should also be a standard contact tracing question.

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        2. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 31 Dec 2020
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          We have a system where people go to work or they starve and face eviction. People face intersections of high exposure, lower income occupations, and higher density living. Personal choices help, but until we acknowledge and address structural risks, will be of limited impact.

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        3. Julian‏ @julianlewis2012 31 Dec 2020
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          That’s true. Moral-of-the-story case studies are more salient but less important to the problem. For every person who spread the virus to family right after taking a rapid test w/ false negative, how many warehouse/packing plant employees got sick from work? 100,000:1?

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