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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Dara Kass, MD

      This thread ends with "be smarter" but every stage is societal, not individual and the rapid test is the *best* part, not the problem. The family goes to work unmasked, has large "bubble", employs older nanny with no primary care doctor & own kids. Problem isn't the living room.https://twitter.com/darakass/status/1343754550562459648 …

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      Dara Kass, MDVerified account @darakass
      A 🧵 on COVID Living Room Spread: Saturday: - Older, out of the house brother wants to visit younger siblings. Mom says "get a test on the way, if you are negative you can come." - Rapid test is (-), family spends a day together inside, laughing, playing, eating. 1/
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

      Perhaps the biggest problem we've had is not having a public health and sociological lens, but acting like we were facing clinical disease to be treated/resisted individual by individual. That's what medical doctors do (yeay!) but that's not how we effectively fight pandemics.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

      Individual lens: rapid test had false negative, boo! Societal lens: if 300 million people had rapid tests every day, we'd be better off even with a few false negatives, and why is that elderly nanny without a doctor working in that house with an open network of unmasked contacts?

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

          Yes, it's well-meaning and I don't object at all to the message that we should try to make best choice possible, but those 27K retweets? We're misleading ourselves. We want to blame individuals when we've set it up for everyone to fail. We need *more* rapid tests, not less.pic.twitter.com/8Q6EchDZRq

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

          That family employing the nanny has an open network, not a "bubble." The nanny doesn't have the luxury of the "just stay at home!" crowd plus she's at the mercy of the employer's open network. And the original mom needs a way to see her son: with tests, maybe outdoors & masks.

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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

          Don't provide widespread testing; don't support people so they can stop working at the mercy of irresponsible employers; no primary care network; allow unmasked workplaces; don't provide advice on safely meeting & expect people to never see their kids... Of course it won't work.

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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Audi Kiskowski Byrne

          Yes the son and the rapid test are not at all central to what's going on. If anything, that seems to be the only stage there was any sensible attempt at employing a public health measure. (Though older brother not alerting them to symptoms immediately...)https://twitter.com/a_haema/status/1344675936445362178 …

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          Audi Kiskowski Byrne @a_haema
          I say the family wasn't isolating because the mother works outside the home with more than 6 office mates, each with their own networks, and they have a nanny who presumably also has her own network. (The son getting tested to visit was not the weakest link in their lives.)
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        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Dec 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted

          That's exactly right. Plus, that family has no "bubble" whatsoever. The word appears to have lost its meaning. Family employs nanny, plus mom has six co-workers who work together unmasked plus who knows what else... A real bubble is very hard to sustain. https://twitter.com/Valentine721/status/1344674128649998336 …

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        2. emilyzee‏ @emilyzee 31 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes - from a macro POV if every business/establishment screened using rapid tests we'd catch a hell of a lot more cases than we're catching now. The trick is educating the public that a negative result doesn't mean you aren't infected. Therein lies the challenge.

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        3. Caity‏ @CaityFC 31 Dec 2020
          Replying to @emilyzee @zeynep

          In March I had foolishly thought that implementing widespread, frequent, free rapid testing was what all the 🌍 govts were going to do once such tests were available. 😑

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        1. Craig Krogstad‏ @mgrove1 31 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Same problem of individual vs population perspective applies to the issue of whether to defer the second dose of the vaccine order to give the first dose to twice as many people.

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        1. Steven Klaiber-Noble‏ @snoble 31 Dec 2020
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          This is the paradox of harm reduction. In aggregate harm reduction options are very positive: high compliance when available and big impacts on reducing negative outcomes. BUT the negative outcomes they let through tell great stories and the ones they prevent are un-noticed.

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        1. Benur21‏ @Benur211 31 Dec 2020
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          "rapid tests are only 90% sensitive" Those that say this certainly don't want daily new cases to fall by 90%... 200k per day to 20k per day. Great potential.

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