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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      The question I’ve asked is whether boosting this idea in the NYT and elsewhere as opposed to working behind the scenes to develop a trial has potential downsides. All I hear from you and Michael is that this approach has no risks.

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    2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

      The project of vaccinating hundreds of millions of people is so complex, as you noted, that there is a huge upside to a single dose approach. But that same complexity suggests that if people lose confidence in a needed booster (if needed) then that might be bad.

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    3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

      If the goal is a trial then there should not be such high confidence that a single dose will work - we need a trial, after all.

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    4. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

      So it could be that we need a booster. If so, then we have to list out all the ways it might be hard to get ppl their boosters & ask how to proactively lower that difficulty.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      That's where we are disagreeing. One, "behind the scenes" has little to no chance of getting far. US had little to no trials on clinical side. Who are we "quietly" influencing? Two, there is no behind the scenes anymore. DeSantis and others will all be out there. Just without us.

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    6. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I dunno. Call up Moderna and see if they’d run a trial? My understanding from this is that you think the only way to get a trial is through public pressure, not through back channels.

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    7. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

      I think there needs to be consideration of how the right will weaponize a loud and public single dose is best push. NB:pic.twitter.com/E3bE3O7JTi

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      So, what do you think would be more effective to prevent this moment? Imagine, if, in March 2020, instead of saying masks were *harmful*, our public health leaders including Dr. Fauci had said: what about cloth masks and please don't hoard the N95s because there's a shortage?

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I think your example makes my point stronger than I could. There is no "behind the scenes" thinking we can hide from the public and expect it to work out well. That just makes it easier for others to *convince* the public that the experts are not telling them the full truth.

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    10. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I think you are double dealing here. Either people can understand or we can’t. If people can understand that the benefits of studying a one-dose regimen, then they surely can understand that public health officials went ahead with a two dose regimen until the new studies came in.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      And we (Michael and I) are advocating for going ahead with a two dose regimen while *immediately* going ahead with a trial—should have started yesterday. Which is the exact point this started from. I'm answering the "weaponization" charge separately.

      5:14 PM - 27 Dec 2020
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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          We may be talking past each other. I am aware of what you an MM are advocating for. I think you two are 100% correct that such a trial is essential.

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        3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
          Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

          I do *not* claim that advocating for this publicly is the wrong way to go. I am asking is whether it might be the wrong way to go. There are reasons not to advocate for this publicly. It would be great to discuss those reasons, admit that they have some merit when they do...

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