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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      Another advantage to an immediate trial is having a better sense of the scale/scope downsides. Some people are going to miss the booster, and require allocation of (limited) resources to track down. So who and when? A trial would help shed light on that.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I think Gregg will empathize, given his history. I'm seeing projections of billions remaining unvaccinated in 2021—mostly global south, as it goes. The mRNA vaccines have been spectacular beyond expectation but their trials are also short term. We can/should trial for options.

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    3. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jallepap and

      Agree. We need to move quickly on trials of these vaccines and on those in pipeline.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    4. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and

      Hi has anyone thought about the cost of publicly advocating for this trial? Could it lead to confusion about the need for a booster? It’s already going to be hard enough to roll out a two-shot regimen.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      The idea is and has been out there. You cannot avoid ideas, especially obvious ones. Suggesting how to do it properly is the way to deal with such potential worries.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    6. Gregg Gonsalves‏Verified account @gregggonsalves 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jallepap and

      Agree.

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    7. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @gregggonsalves @zeynep and

      Ideas do not exist on their own. They have advocates.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      Obvious ones never lack for them. Fractional vaccination is an established practice against shortages during epidemics. It’s not some secret thought. Plus, it had real upsides—even if it is shown not to work. Missing boosters is going to happen. We should know what it means.

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    9. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      I don’t think you are seriously engaging with people who ask hard questions about this proposal. Yes trials should be run. Is there a way to advocate for that quietly, without spreading the *possibly* dangerous line that people only need one shot?

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @gregggonsalves and

      I’m happy to engage, but the one part that think most about is the public sphere. So the question you raise—and it’s penumbra—is the one I actually think most about, and has had most of my career focused around. I’m not new to that part at all. The immunology is for the experts.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

      We are not spreading a dangerous idea, we’re taking one with a real upside and trying to put it on a solid path. Do you notice how many prominent politicians had been advocating for this? It’s not a world where we can somehow keep things quiet—or control them without being there.

      4:17 PM - 27 Dec 2020
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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @gregggonsalves and

          The question I’ve asked is whether boosting this idea in the NYT and elsewhere as opposed to working behind the scenes to develop a trial has potential downsides. All I hear from you and Michael is that this approach has no risks.

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        3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 27 Dec 2020
          Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

          The project of vaccinating hundreds of millions of people is so complex, as you noted, that there is a huge upside to a single dose approach. But that same complexity suggests that if people lose confidence in a needed booster (if needed) then that might be bad.

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