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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      Hard agree. Communicating that we don't know how well the vaccines will curb transmission is not the same thing as saying they likely won't. Anti-vaxxers running with that message is not because scientists haven't conveyed the nuances or outright misrepresented the data.

      1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
    2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      Every interview I've done on the topic has 1. praised the triumph of the vaccines, 2. said they will likely reduce transmission but we don't yet know so use caution for now, and 3. said that assessing protection against infection should be the first priority.

      3 replies 2 retweets 24 likes
    3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      And I also spoke at the Pfizer/BioNTech adcomm about how we could use serology to assess that. I think it's incorrect to say that because we aren't speculating on data we don't yet have that we are enabling anti-vax misinformation. Everyone I know has discussed this at length.

      1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      All this started because *I've* pointed out it was good to say "they will likely reduce transmission but we don't yet know so use caution for now". I assure you that message is not getting out the way it needs to. I can point to individuals who say it, but I see what's out there.

      3 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
    5. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

      Dr. Angela Rasmussen Retweeted zeynep tufekci

      Further up in the thread you said that scientists were focusing on the gloom of the unknown & that misinformation is thriving because we fail to communicate nuance. Now you say we are communicating that nuance but it's somehow not getting out? I'm confusedhttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1339581692802199552?s=20 …

      Dr. Angela Rasmussen added,

      zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
      Replying to @zeynep @BogochIsaac and 2 others
      The problem is people don't feel confident in saying "look these are the indicators but here's why we gotta wait" and think that if we say that, everyone will go all reckless. In reality, I think not communicating the nuance/data is what leads to dismissal and recklessness.
      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    6. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      Anti-vaccine advocates are claiming that scientists are saying the vaccines won't prevent transmission, but most scientists are not actually saying that. Anti-vaxxers are creating false narratives. It's wrong to claim this is solely an issue of failed communication by experts.

      1 reply 3 retweets 24 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      Who said "solely"? But yes, absolutely, not communicating the nuance, complexity and the timeline of what we do and don't know is exactly what misinformation and wariness thrives on, and countering it requires look at what's happening out there beyond what an individual has said.

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    8. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

      I agree with that, but it's not just an individual communicating the nuances. It's *most* experts interviewed on the topic. What data do you have that this message is not getting out there, other than anti-vaxxers being predictably loud about it?

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      Part of what I do is monitor the public conversation around these topics, both because I'm out there writing and also because studying the public sphere/information ecology is what I do (well used to do more of!) before the pandemic.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

      The reasons I keep urging individuals is that the top-down messaging is already not great, and media/social media swung from denialism to alarmism (NYT sent a push alert for a single adverse event yesterday), and people *are* confused.

      3 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

      Ideally, we'd have "be first, be right, be credible" from the agencies, with individuals playing a secondary role. But that's not where we are. And the "won't prevent infection" message is really big out there despite it's lack of immediate relevance (given hcw are first).

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          And, again, all this is because I *praised* an article communicating the nuance and *including* proper details on why they will likely dampen transmission, to some degree, to be determined later, during which time we will keep up masking etc. if lucky enough to be vaccinated.

          1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

          Dr. Angela Rasmussen Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          I appreciate that & we agree on what the message should be. But you also claim a "widespread perception" that the vaccine won't prevent infection. The anti-vaxxers certainly want us to believe that's reality but I'm not sure it is from my own observations.https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1339615424275767304?s=20 …

          Dr. Angela Rasmussen added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and 4 others
          Right now, there's widespread perception that these vaccines will not prevent infectiousness (rather than, they may well do so but we'll know more shortly) that life will not change even in 2021, and an anti-vaxxer message going wild, unopposed, on that. This is reality.
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