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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @BogochIsaac and

      Who is calling for gloom? Many scientists have acclaimed this as one of the greatest achievements in human history, including myself on local news. See @EricTopol feed yesterday. Scientists sticking to the data rather than endorsing PH guidance based on speculation isn't gloom.

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    2. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      It's really a totally unfair accusation to level at people who have worked very hard to use the best data available to combat this pandemic. You have consistently displayed an urge to get ahead of the data and I'm sorry scientists won't endorse that, but there's a reason not to.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @BogochIsaac and

      It's not an accusation of malice. @EricTopol can feel free to chime in if I'm "ahead of the data" in an unwarranted fashion. I watch for that, as one should, and it's been a year where I'm merely ahead of positive guidelines because I try hard to stick to data and don't oversell.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

      Right now, there's widespread perception that these vaccines will not prevent infectiousness (rather than, they may well do so but we'll know more shortly) that life will not change even in 2021, and an anti-vaxxer message going wild, unopposed, on that. This is reality.

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    5. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @BogochIsaac and

      I have seen a lot of messaging that by mid-2021 we can get substantially back to "normal". Can we do better getting that out? Of course! Does the fact that it hasn't 100% permeated everyone's thinking mean the message is no change indefinitely? No it does not.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      Fauci is among those who have said we can get back to normal in 2021. Many have told people to expect widespread vaccination by July. Many scientists are hailing the vaccines as an incredible accomplishment.

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    7. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      There has been *tons* of messaging touting the vaccines. You're asking for more than that, for scientists to get ahead of the data. We will have the data soon, and adjust messaging accordingly.

      3 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    8. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and

      Hard agree. Communicating that we don't know how well the vaccines will curb transmission is not the same thing as saying they likely won't. Anti-vaxxers running with that message is not because scientists haven't conveyed the nuances or outright misrepresented the data.

      1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
    9. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      Every interview I've done on the topic has 1. praised the triumph of the vaccines, 2. said they will likely reduce transmission but we don't yet know so use caution for now, and 3. said that assessing protection against infection should be the first priority.

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    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      And I also spoke at the Pfizer/BioNTech adcomm about how we could use serology to assess that. I think it's incorrect to say that because we aren't speculating on data we don't yet have that we are enabling anti-vax misinformation. Everyone I know has discussed this at length.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @stgoldst and

      All this started because *I've* pointed out it was good to say "they will likely reduce transmission but we don't yet know so use caution for now". I assure you that message is not getting out the way it needs to. I can point to individuals who say it, but I see what's out there.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          So if everyone keeps saying "they will likely reduce transmission but we don't yet know so use caution for now" my initial response, request and point will be less necessary. Right now, it is necessary because a sense that they will not, without a timeline, is what's out there.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

          Dr. Angela Rasmussen Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          Further up in the thread you said that scientists were focusing on the gloom of the unknown & that misinformation is thriving because we fail to communicate nuance. Now you say we are communicating that nuance but it's somehow not getting out? I'm confusedhttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1339581692802199552?s=20 …

          Dr. Angela Rasmussen added,

          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @zeynep @BogochIsaac and 2 others
          The problem is people don't feel confident in saying "look these are the indicators but here's why we gotta wait" and think that if we say that, everyone will go all reckless. In reality, I think not communicating the nuance/data is what leads to dismissal and recklessness.
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        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

          Anti-vaccine advocates are claiming that scientists are saying the vaccines won't prevent transmission, but most scientists are not actually saying that. Anti-vaxxers are creating false narratives. It's wrong to claim this is solely an issue of failed communication by experts.

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        2. Jon.Schwartz‏ @JonSchw73589513 17 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          You say this message isn’t getting out there Where is “out there” and what’s your evidence for this claim? I literally don’t know *anyone* who hasn’t heard this message loud and clear.

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        3. Patrick Breitenbach  🇺🇸‏ @pbreit 23 Dec 2020
          Replying to @JonSchw73589513 @zeynep and

          Patrick Breitenbach  🇺🇸 Retweeted Michael Luo

          This very thread!!!https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelluo/status/1339574701295865858 …

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          Michael LuoVerified account @michaelluo
          Important caveat from @DhruvKhullar: "we know for sure that the vaccines...prevent severe illness in almost all people who are inoculated...we’re not yet certain that the vaccines can prevent people from becoming infected or infecting others." https://www.newyorker.com/science/medical-dispatch/how-getting-vaccinated-will-and-wont-change-my-behavior …
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