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    1. Ryan McNamara  🧬‏ @Ryan_Mac_Phd 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu

      The U.S. has 12 states that have yet to enact facemask requirements, and we have the audacity to call out the WHO? Again, the WHO has little-to-no power with enforcement of their recommendations. We have states that refuse to implement and enforce them while ~3,000 die each day.

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    2. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Ryan_Mac_Phd @zeynep

      (Waves from one of those states) - No org is perfect and definitely not during a pandemic of a novel respiratory virus. The WHO supports a ton of research to continuously improve. Focusing on their failures instead of our own distorts from not only their actual role, but ours.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I don’t understand this bit. We here are not the administration. Of course they are not to be scapegoated for US admin failure. But we’re not the ones refusing to enact masks. I’m talking about countries who did not have mask mandates at all because of World Health Organization.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I mean if anyone says the US failed because of the World Health Organization, I’m with you totally. I don’t see anyone anywhere near that allegation on what we’re discussing.

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    5. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      Honestly, I’ve seen several who haven’t been working in public health say that bc the WHO won’t acknowledge certain things to the specifications they want, they’re not effective and are endangering people.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I can’t talk about others but what I’m talking about the very specific things. Saying no need to wear masks indoors if separated by a mere meter, three feet—that got corrected about 10 days ago. People had been trying since last March/April to update that. Took this long.

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    7. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I’d just add that, regardless of WHO’s advice, around the world countries have enacted policies as they’ve seen fit regardless of their health care infrastructure or WHO membership. In the US, most people who don’t wear masks give zero thought to WHO recommendations.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      This is exactly what you’re missing. There are entire countries who will only do what the WHO recommends. If WHO recommendations didn’t matter, that would be a whole other tragedy but that’s kind of where we’re headed unless they’re fixed.

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    9. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      Which countries are we talking about? Because I’m well aware of the WHO’s role in LMIC countries with regard to shaping policy and standing up public health responses. And few countries have fared as poorly as the US.

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    10. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      If the measure of failure is “not wearing masks indoors” or “not emphasizing ventilation” then sure. But if the measure is per capita prevalence and COVID deaths, then one could make the argument that those LMICs have done considerably better than the US.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I don’t think anybody’s disagreeing about US failure. Forget indoors, last spring people were facing huge hurdles trying to get masks to people in refugee camps because the World Health Organization was against them.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

          That is a problem but it’s also not as simple as that. That also has to do with worldwide shortages of PPE and supply chain issues. Not saying WHO was right or they are above criticism but that can’t be laid exclusively at the feet of WHO.

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        3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

          But refugee camps are also not entire LMICs, and I just don’t think the data supports the notion that WHO recommendations have had catastrophic consequences in terms of policy. The worst outcomes have been in countries that disregarded WHO. Like the US.

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        2. Kucco Song‏ @KuccoSong 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @angie_rasmussen and

          I remember seeing photos of UN organizations deliberately gathering children from remote villages without tap water access to wash their hands, as part of “Wash Your Hand” campaign effort in March/April. Everyone was maskless, it was shocking to say at least....

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        3. Kucco Song‏ @KuccoSong 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @KuccoSong @zeynep and

          Probably didn’t harm those children since SARS-CoV-2 probably never got there with little to none international travel, but the message it sends to people by showing maskless people crowded together to wash hand is just.....

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