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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      Many who did better explicitly didn’t listen to WHO advice as is, though, and that absolutely needs fixing. “To do better, emulate other countries who didn’t listen to the World Health Organization” really isn’t the position we want to find ourselves in ever again.

      2 replies 1 retweet 47 likes
    2. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      But the US pretty much didn’t listen to the WHO?

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      That’s true! We failed in our particular way. But so did the WHO and it has to be fixed. It really matters for LMIC countries that can’t/don’t just defy WHO and go their own way like South Korea or Japan. We still see so much bad advice from the top. Check the WHO feed.

      1 reply 1 retweet 23 likes
    4. Ryan McNamara  🧬‏ @Ryan_Mac_Phd 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu

      To me, it's just looking for a convenient scapegoat or boogeyman. If we want to critique the WHO, it'd be helpful if enacted simple and science-supported public health measures that they've advocated for. We haven't.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Ryan_Mac_Phd @SaskiaPopescu

      “We the US administration” yes. Why would that apply to the rest of us concerned about avoiding a repeat? It was ~10 days ago we got “no masks necessary indoors if 3 feet apart” corrected. I have doc friends in LMIC countries who, until ten days ago, would repeat that to people.

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    6. Ryan McNamara  🧬‏ @Ryan_Mac_Phd 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu

      The U.S. has 12 states that have yet to enact facemask requirements, and we have the audacity to call out the WHO? Again, the WHO has little-to-no power with enforcement of their recommendations. We have states that refuse to implement and enforce them while ~3,000 die each day.

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    7. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @Ryan_Mac_Phd @zeynep

      (Waves from one of those states) - No org is perfect and definitely not during a pandemic of a novel respiratory virus. The WHO supports a ton of research to continuously improve. Focusing on their failures instead of our own distorts from not only their actual role, but ours.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I don’t understand this bit. We here are not the administration. Of course they are not to be scapegoated for US admin failure. But we’re not the ones refusing to enact masks. I’m talking about countries who did not have mask mandates at all because of World Health Organization.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I mean if anyone says the US failed because of the World Health Organization, I’m with you totally. I don’t see anyone anywhere near that allegation on what we’re discussing.

      2 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
    10. Dr. Saskia Popescu‏Verified account @SaskiaPopescu 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      Honestly, I’ve seen several who haven’t been working in public health say that bc the WHO won’t acknowledge certain things to the specifications they want, they’re not effective and are endangering people.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
      Replying to @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

      I can’t talk about others but what I’m talking about the very specific things. Saying no need to wear masks indoors if separated by a mere meter, three feet—that got corrected about 10 days ago. People had been trying since last March/April to update that. Took this long.

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        2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

          I’d just add that, regardless of WHO’s advice, around the world countries have enacted policies as they’ve seen fit regardless of their health care infrastructure or WHO membership. In the US, most people who don’t wear masks give zero thought to WHO recommendations.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Dec 2020
          Replying to @angie_rasmussen @SaskiaPopescu @Ryan_Mac_Phd

          This is exactly what you’re missing. There are entire countries who will only do what the WHO recommends. If WHO recommendations didn’t matter, that would be a whole other tragedy but that’s kind of where we’re headed unless they’re fixed.

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