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    1. George C Ellis‏ @nycnymd 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @KanakaMPH @angie_rasmussen

      This is an interesting case and I (physics BA, now MD) welcome input from aerosol scientists @jljcolorado Better & smarter ventilation will keep us safer from C19 and future viruses.

      1 reply 0 retweets 22 likes
    2. Kanaka Sathasivan, MPH  🥄 👩🏽‍🔬  🦠  💉‏ @KanakaMPH 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @nycnymd @angie_rasmussen @jljcolorado

      Yes, but presenting it as an alternative to masks and other behavioral changes is not useful. Cloth masks still work to stop droplets.

      12 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Kimberly Prather, Ph.D.‏Verified account @kprather88 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @KanakaMPH @nycnymd and

      I have never seen a single person in any field say HVAC works over masks.

      2 replies 0 retweets 37 likes
    4. Donald Sanger‏ @denversportsfan 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @kprather88 @KanakaMPH and

      I have not seen a single person argue that HVAC is a substitute for other mitigation measures. In fact, every aerosol scientist I've seen has gone out of their way to emphasize ventilation as a *complement* to masking, distancing, etc. The resentment here is unwarranted. 1/

      1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
    5. Donald Sanger‏ @denversportsfan 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @denversportsfan @kprather88 and

      What has been clear from the beginning is that some in various disciplines have been resistant to acknowledging the significant role that aerosol transmission plays or accepting the contributions of aerosol scientists/engineers in developing a robust mitigation strategy. 2/

      1 reply 1 retweet 16 likes
    6. Donald Sanger‏ @denversportsfan 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @denversportsfan @kprather88 and

      It is crucial that experts across these areas work together, and it is frustrating for the public to see this kind of territorial bickering. It is counterproductive and erodes public confidence in a diverse group of experts, all of whom are valuable and desperately needed.

      1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
    7. Kanaka Sathasivan, MPH  🥄 👩🏽‍🔬  🦠  💉‏ @KanakaMPH 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @denversportsfan @kprather88 and

      I agree on working together, but my original tweet was born out of seeing engineers attacking virologists on Twitter and elsewhere. The aerosol debate is also counterproductive because it convinces people that cloth masks aren't worth the inconvenience.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Kimberly Prather, Ph.D.‏Verified account @kprather88 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @KanakaMPH @denversportsfan and

      Again, you are incorrect in "quoting" engineers. There are MANY pubs showing cloth masks work well in filtering aerosols that have been tweeted over and over. I have not seen one tweet from eng saying cloth masks don't work. Quite the opposite. See @linseymarr and @jljcolorado .

      1 reply 1 retweet 25 likes
    9. Kanaka Sathasivan, MPH  🥄 👩🏽‍🔬  🦠  💉‏ @KanakaMPH 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @kprather88 @denversportsfan and

      I didn't say engineers were saying that. But engineers on Twitter have presented HVAC as a solution for in-person school and indoor dining, specifically to keep people safe without masks on. And the public has heard a lot about regular masks vs N95s. cont.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. Kanaka Sathasivan, MPH  🥄 👩🏽‍🔬  🦠  💉‏ @KanakaMPH 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @KanakaMPH @kprather88 and

      So when ppl shift the conversation to emphasizing aerosol transmission, the public concludes: "If I don't have an N95, what's the point in wearing a mask?" Engineers aren't saying cloth masks don't work, but by emphasizing aerosols, they are leading laypeople to that conclusion.

      8 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2020
      Replying to @KanakaMPH @kprather88 and

      I am pretty sure that is not what “the public” concludes, though. Sacrificing the imperfect because the perfect isn’t attainable seems more an expert or medical establishment ailment that a public problem.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @KanakaMPH and

          The aerosol debate (is it a debate?) does not convince people cloth masks aren’t useful. If anything not talking about aerosols openly and clearly probably makes the public mistrust us all, and mistrust masks in total.

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        2. Kanaka Sathasivan, MPH  🥄 👩🏽‍🔬  🦠  💉‏ @KanakaMPH 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @kprather88 and

          I have had people directly tell me this is why they don't wear masks. Masks let in air. The virus is airborne. Thus non-N95 masks don't work. It's also been complicated by studies that show that a majority of people who get the virus wear cloth masks. Correlation \= causation.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @KanakaMPH @kprather88 and

          I think your example are good to show why we need to talk about this more, not less, including why cloth masks are good for source control, and not as good as PPE. The lack of authoritative and loud voices on this allows for confusion and misinformation.

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        1. Jonathan Mesiano-Crookston /Denial Is Bad Strategy‏ @jmcrookston 11 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @KanakaMPH and

          Agree. It's not what "the public" concludes. Certainly not what I have seen. Instead, I have seen people open windows, watch how long indoors, and in fact double mask. I have never seen someone stop with masks.

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