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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      Vaccine schedules aren't randomly cobbled together. They're based on evidence. The most reliable way to squash the pandemic is to vaccinate consistent with our best evidence for what works.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      Vaccine schedules during a pandemic are not some perfect processes. Besides there is data on both sides. What does it mean to leave hundred million vaccinated, or to delay start to hold off for second shot compared with less durable immunity? That's a societal decision.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified)‏ @yellingatwind 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

      Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) Retweeted Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified)

      Agreed. It is just hard for the people who are in charge of these decisions to do that. They are trained from day 1 in "protocols" and the danger of making exceptions. This works great, until you have the one time you should make an exception.https://twitter.com/yellingatwind/status/1336354474806239232?s=20 …

      Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) added,

      Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) @yellingatwind
      Hey medical peeps - is there an ethical/practical case for giving twice as many people one dose of the Pfizer vaccine? Or is there something about this vaccine that means you must have the 2nd dose in 3 weeks or protection gone after short period? https://twitter.com/alexdfox/status/1336332746415775744 …
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified)‏ @yellingatwind 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @yellingatwind @zeynep and

      I actually believe it is UNETHICAL to not consider strongly using whatever you have to vaccinate as many vulnerable people in hotspots as fast as possible.

      1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
    5. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @yellingatwind @zeynep and

      Oh, so now vaccinating per the successful clinical trial protocol is (all caps) unethical? That's a pretty staggering charge to level at people who are doing their best to follow the evidence.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      Ultimately, do we need input from scientists at all really?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      We're all seeking the input, but the ethical trade-offs are societal decisions. A pandemic is a bunch of decisions made with imperfect data facing limited supplies with trade-offs and data on *both* sides of the equation.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @yellingatwind and

      You’ve got my input, input from world-renowned immunologists. Take it for what it’s worth (maybe nothing!).

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      I have specific questions! I get the durable immunity unknown. What about shorter term? That's where the trade-off is most severe. (Besides the need for launching immediate trial...)

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @yellingatwind and

      I mean, the data are publicly available. It looks like one dose is good at preventing disease at least for a few weeks. That’s the science on this specific vaccine.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Dec 2020
      Replying to @stgoldst @yellingatwind and

      That's only "what's on the table in front of us" which is not all we know . I'm gonna cc @michaelmina_lab on that. We're talking about potentially being able to vaccinate an extra billion people in 2021.

      9:00 AM - 10 Dec 2020
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        2. Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified)‏ @yellingatwind 10 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @stgoldst and

          Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) Retweeted Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified)

          re-upping my suggestion that got lost in stringhttps://twitter.com/yellingatwind/status/1337075852895342592?s=20 …

          Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) added,

          Armchair epidemiologist (self-certified) @yellingatwind
          Replying to @stgoldst @zeynep and 2 others
          Of course - this analysis needs input from immunologists, public health officials, epidemiologists, manufacturing experts, ethicists AND understanding of existing biases.
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Stephen Goldstein‏ @stgoldst 10 Dec 2020
          Replying to @yellingatwind @zeynep and

          Again, I actually don’t understand why in the framework of the analysis you’re proposing theres a need for input from immunologists. The scientific limitations of this approach are very clear.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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