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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @kevinroose

      I don’t see the slightest risk or inability to recruit tbh. There is no mass resignation either. They will keep recruiting just fine for their purposes is my guess, although there might be a few who refuse. Also by “responded” you mean they published a heavily legaled Google doc?

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @kevinroose

      Wait, what, you're assuming that inability to hire "AI ethicists", if there was such an inability, is some sort of problem, let alone an existential crisis, for Google?

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Dec 2020
      Replying to @kevinroose

      And you think there are AI engineers who are not going to work at Google because of such a concern? I see less than zero evidence in that we have years of evidence that it is not happening. Not at all. AI engineers are making a choice and working at Google (and FB).

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @kevinroose

          Honestly, I think this is wishful thinking despite enormous contrary evidence. I would have said maybe, let's see in 2016. We saw. There is an answer.

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        1. Neal Parikh‏ @npparikh 9 Dec 2020
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          Completely agree with @zeynep. Also, this premise is underestimating the (constantly growing) number of AI ethics researchers and overestimating the degree to which their presence matters to other AI engineers. Would also be surprised by more than rounding error of resignations.

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        2. Rishab Aiyer Ghosh‏ @r2g2 9 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @kevinroose

          Facebook pays more for AI engineers partly to compensate for its reputation on ethics; in other words, Google does get some recruiting benefit by appearing to cling to some “Do No Evil”. The hiring market for this talent is insanely competitive and marginal advantage matters.

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        3. Rishab Aiyer Ghosh‏ @r2g2 9 Dec 2020
          Replying to @r2g2 @zeynep @kevinroose

          I mean, from a business perspective, having a very public facing AI Ethics group at Google is like having a public facing environmental impact research group at Exxon; unless you think companies are altruistic, the purpose is virtue signaling to others.

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        1. ShriramKrishnamurthi‏ @ShriramKMurthi 9 Dec 2020
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          Could not agree more with Zeynep. I see this in people (won't reveal identities) who talk a great talk about everything else except about companies that they want to be hired by, about whom there is a great deal to say and patently public. (Generous companies.)

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