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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @onisillos and

      I get a lot of use out of social media—so many excellent experts!—but it's hard for everyone, and it comes at a cost to those experts who have to battle through the mobs etc. (I do too but I do because of its use!) It's a lot of work to separate signal from noise. alas

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    2. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @onisillos and

      I've found Twitter to be very helpful but share some of your reservations about using it to dispense guidance. It's not even my actual job to dispense guidance or communicate at all via social media, but I see it as my duty to public health, as well as amplifying other...

      1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
    3. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      ...relevant experts from other fields. In that sense, Twitter is an important tool, but it's not the only tool. That's why I (and many others) also write and give interviews for mainstream media outlets. But that's still not official guidance. The agencies tasked with that...

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    4. Dr. Angela Rasmussen‏Verified account @angie_rasmussen 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      ...work do need to do a better job of communicating clearly and consistently, via social and mainstream media and their own published materials. I hope in the pandemic post-mortem this is addressed. It would be tremendously useful to all the experts here as well.

      2 replies 0 retweets 11 likes
    5. Sam Horwich‏ @samhorwich 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @angie_rasmussen @zeynep and

      I think the key question in any postmortem, was the lack of or insufficient discussion about aerosol transmission a significant contributor to spread? Regardless of the platform (only a small proportion of the population uses twitter), was this a *massive failure* or not?

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @samhorwich @angie_rasmussen and

      It's December 1st & today the WHO *finally* updated guidance to say "if ventilation is poor wear masks indoors even if separated by 1m/3ft." Until now—eleven months!—WHO didn't advise people to wear masks indoors if one was a mere meter away from others. Very much a failure imo.

      5 replies 29 retweets 114 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

      I wrote a single article on ventilation and still constantly contacted by desperate people whose workplace guidance has huge emphasis on deep cleaning (with bleach! indoors! without ventilating it out!) but either no or vague advice on ventilation. We didn't get here by accident.

      2 replies 2 retweets 38 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

      So Twitter help aside, people needed simple, actionable guidelines and proper intuition about transmission. In my view, some concerns here about the word aerosol/airborne/analogies may apply to healthcare settings but were not a problem with public discussion.

      4 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
    9. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

      Hi there. Here's something that is widely distributed that has simple guidelines regarding school re-opening: https://schools.forhealth.org/ 

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @MattNoahSmith @samhorwich and

      I know. The problem is if it's not CDC or WHO, lots of places simply cannot and will not do any of this—institution cannot be freelancing what advice they will take given the costs and the considerations. Hence the importance of the failure/delay.

      2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

      Let me put it this way: I've heard from people in school districts near Harvard, where some of the authors of these guidelines live and have kids in those schools, that they cannot get the school district to implement this. Public health needs authoritative, centralized guidance.

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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

          I live in one of those school districts.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @MattNoahSmith @samhorwich and

          😢 I'm also worried about the relentless, unventilated use of bleach everywhere which is a documented risk.

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        2. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

          That was my point about the coordination problem - we need a salient set of rules on which everyone can focus. The state is supposed to provide that guidance. But there are other factors, as you often note, that goad well-meaning teachers into paroxysms of fear.

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        3. Matthew Noah Smith‏ @MattNoahSmith 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @MattNoahSmith @zeynep and

          Which in turn drives the politics of re-opening. No matter what the state says, these teachers will refuse to teach and no mayor, no governor, wants a teachers' strike on their hands in the middle of a pandemic.

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        2. Derrick VanGennep‏ @VanGennepD 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @samhorwich and

          Can confirm. Significant other works at a school nearby. Still, they aren't allowed to open windows as much as they'd like (limitations on how many and how wide they can be opened).

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        3. Derrick VanGennep‏ @VanGennepD 2 Dec 2020
          Replying to @VanGennepD @zeynep and

          On the other hand, I hear some epi people actually pushing for higher density classrooms on school reopening calls. One person was pushing for reducing the distance between kids from 6 ft to 3 ft, which seems strange to me.

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