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    1. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 30 Nov 2020

      Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Eric Feigl-Ding

      3) here is the earlier waste water study of #SARSCoV2 coronavirus in cities in Northern Italy in mid December already. This matches the reports that it’s been circulating in December before Wuhan outbreak was realized.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1273941929970020355 …

      Eric Feigl-Ding added,

      Eric Feigl-DingVerified account @DrEricDing
      🦠BREAKING: The #coronavirus was already present in two large cities in northern Italy 🇮🇹 by December 18, over two months before the first case was detected, a national study of waste water has found in Milan & Turin. Oct & Nov 2019 water samples negative. https://news.yahoo.com/virus-already-italy-december-waste-water-study-finds-091612239.html …
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    2. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020

      Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Trevor Bedford

      4) that said, some think the study might be picking up cross reactivity with other coronaviruses that are seasonally present. I think we need T cell immunity tests coming online soon like @AdaptiveBiotech to be more sure.https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1333647437869633537 …

      Eric Feigl-Ding added,

      Trevor BedfordVerified account @trvrb
      I don't think that this study by Basavaraju et al from @CDCgov can be taken as evidence that #COVID19 was circulating in the US in December 2019. 1/10 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 …
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @AdaptiveBiotech

      Can you try to stop yourself from tweeting every single study as if it were an established and indisputable fact when the actual scientific community is still evaluating it? No, adding a "oh wait" after the fact doesn't count. It's been ten months of this. Really unhelpful.

      5 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
    4. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @AdaptiveBiotech

      The study was peer review published in a medical journal—not merely a preprint. And was by CDC scientists. It has credibility. And multiple outlets are reporting it. And it has support from waste water in Italy in mid Dec that it was outside China already.https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-01-20-intl/h_5e4e8b4b5f8f0b44c5286c5f05b483bb …

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @AdaptiveBiotech

      I'm well aware of that. Your unreflective tweeting is unhelpful and uninformative. The study itself—which you don't bother to read, apparently—notes important limitations and the scientific community is discussing it with proper context. Try reading and seeing what experts say?

      2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Every study has limitations. But am I not allowed to tweet a major headline that multiple major outlets are reporting? Also a few months ago, I shared a CNN article that reported a JAMA paper. But it turned out it was the JAMA paper that had the error, which editors corrected.

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    7. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

      But at the time you also said I didn’t read the article, but which in fact I did. And it was indeed the JAMA article that had the error even though at the time you said it was me misreading it. I’m happy to always correct if there is an error of my own.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    8. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

      There’s plenty of articles that people debate about it even after published. And sometimes the authors make a mistake, sometimes editors, sometimes the journalists. We are all human. And sometimes it’s a matter of debate. I’ve been involved in lots of science debates before...

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

      ...debates with lots of heated arguments and evidence on both sides, debates that took years to resolve, if ever. Also sometimes lives are at stake. we debated about asymptomatic transmission for too long, as well as airborne transmission. WHO Mike Ryan says we need to move fast.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    10. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

      I very much believe in science and evidence. I am NOT one of those like Atlas or worse on the right who purposefully spins and cherry picks. I share studies. And when WSJ and CNN both report the same peer reviewed study by CDC authors, that is deemed credible enough to share.

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing

      No, you are just contributing to bad reporting by WSJ and CNN because this was really bad reporting, and if you have something to add, it should be helping people navigate such bad reporting, not just be stuck with your foot on the gas pedal for every single study that comes out.

      7:50 AM - 1 Dec 2020
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        2. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I posted Trevor’s thread for balance didn’t I? That isn’t putting my foot on the gas pedal, that is pumping the brakes to give voice to opposing views. Maybe can further do a de novo post on Trevor’s thread too perhaps, but I am giving some balance and pause.

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        3. Ritchie Trilnack‏ @trilnack 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

          Rather than argue, definitely pause and give consideration to her key critique/advice: look at the quality of science and engage about it with others perhaps before furthering the spread of potentially poor quality (mis)information.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Joe (Pro environment) Blow‏ @MREathome 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @DrEricDing

          Why is the reporting bad? If you think this can you give some detail to your criticism? If you don't want misinformation spread perhaps you could tell us what is wrong, most are not knowledgable enough to see it ourselves.

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