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    1. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 30 Nov 2020

      NEW—The coronavirus was in the US in mid-December 2019, a few weeks before it was officially identified in China, according to CDC analysis of blood donation samples. This also matches waste water analysis that found virus earlier in Europe. 🧵 #COVID19https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-likely-in-u-s-in-mid-december-2019-cdc-scientists-report-11606782449 …

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    2. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 30 Nov 2020

      Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Eric Feigl-Ding

      2) This also matches early indicator data that already found excess flu illnesses in Hubei province (where Wuhan is) in early December as well.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1333594728672210946 …

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      Eric Feigl-DingVerified account @DrEricDing
      New—CNN reports leaked documents of 117 pages from Wuhan show China vastly underreported #COVID19 cases during early pandemic, and had huge numbers of excess flu-like illnesses in December 2019. ➡️Key—R0 also vastly underestimated if cases underreported. pic.twitter.com/EgWM5If69E
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    3. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 30 Nov 2020

      Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Eric Feigl-Ding

      3) here is the earlier waste water study of #SARSCoV2 coronavirus in cities in Northern Italy in mid December already. This matches the reports that it’s been circulating in December before Wuhan outbreak was realized.https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1273941929970020355 …

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      Eric Feigl-DingVerified account @DrEricDing
      🦠BREAKING: The #coronavirus was already present in two large cities in northern Italy 🇮🇹 by December 18, over two months before the first case was detected, a national study of waste water has found in Milan & Turin. Oct & Nov 2019 water samples negative. https://news.yahoo.com/virus-already-italy-december-waste-water-study-finds-091612239.html …
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    4. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020

      Eric Feigl-Ding Retweeted Trevor Bedford

      4) that said, some think the study might be picking up cross reactivity with other coronaviruses that are seasonally present. I think we need T cell immunity tests coming online soon like @AdaptiveBiotech to be more sure.https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1333647437869633537 …

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      Trevor BedfordVerified account @trvrb
      I don't think that this study by Basavaraju et al from @CDCgov can be taken as evidence that #COVID19 was circulating in the US in December 2019. 1/10 https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472 …
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @AdaptiveBiotech

      Can you try to stop yourself from tweeting every single study as if it were an established and indisputable fact when the actual scientific community is still evaluating it? No, adding a "oh wait" after the fact doesn't count. It's been ten months of this. Really unhelpful.

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    6. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @AdaptiveBiotech

      The study was peer review published in a medical journal—not merely a preprint. And was by CDC scientists. It has credibility. And multiple outlets are reporting it. And it has support from waste water in Italy in mid Dec that it was outside China already.https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-12-01-20-intl/h_5e4e8b4b5f8f0b44c5286c5f05b483bb …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Dec 2020
      Replying to @DrEricDing @AdaptiveBiotech

      I'm well aware of that. Your unreflective tweeting is unhelpful and uninformative. The study itself—which you don't bother to read, apparently—notes important limitations and the scientific community is discussing it with proper context. Try reading and seeing what experts say?

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        2. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Every study has limitations. But am I not allowed to tweet a major headline that multiple major outlets are reporting? Also a few months ago, I shared a CNN article that reported a JAMA paper. But it turned out it was the JAMA paper that had the error, which editors corrected.

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        3. Eric Feigl-Ding‏Verified account @DrEricDing 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @DrEricDing @zeynep

          But at the time you also said I didn’t read the article, but which in fact I did. And it was indeed the JAMA article that had the error even though at the time you said it was me misreading it. I’m happy to always correct if there is an error of my own.

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        1. Kandy Zabka‏ @Kkzahu 1 Dec 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @DrEricDing @AdaptiveBiotech

          I disagree. More information is always better, especially from recognized experts, rather than anonymous Twitter accts.

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