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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Steven Mazie

      I realize these restrictions were already eased but... I don't see how any locale can restrict religious service if it has indoor dining or bars open. If anything, the former can be done with masks. That said, it should be noted that singing/choir indoors is especially high-risk.https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1331838731893043201 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Steven MazieVerified account @stevenmazie
      Tonight the Supreme Court's nine members—who are conducting oral arguments remotely from their homes—said New York may not impose a 10-person limit on attendance at houses of worship in COVID hotspots.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      Yes, restricting certain liberties and mandating certain precautions can be necessary for public health during a pandemic. But it is a high price and has to be narrowly-tailored and scientifically solid. Otherwise, we lose legitimacy, plus it doesn't work. And that's what we did.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      I'm not making a legal comment! Regardless of legal basis: restrictions must target activity by risk type. Any place that has indoor dining, bars and gyms open but tries to limit other, often lower-risk activities, is losing legitimacy and not targeting the pandemic properly.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Carly

      Indoor dining: unmasked. Again, not making a legal comment. Our hierarchy of closures should have started with indoor dining/bars/gyms—instead, most places kept/keep those open. Worship can be high risk (singing/unmasked) or lower risk (outdoors, masked).https://twitter.com/stagzr/status/1332004718848081920 …

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      Carly @stagzr
      Replying to @zeynep
      But indoor dining (when allowed) still had restrictions; required spacing, limited capacity, table groups didn’t intermingle as would occur in a church setting. A comparable situation for church would be indoor concerts; which were also not allowed.
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    5. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 26 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I think you’ve got this wrong, Zeynep. New York’s regulations do not forbid “worship” or single out churches. They forbid indoor gatherings above a certain size (10 or 25 people, depending on conditions in the area). It’s SCOTUS that’s making an exception for religion.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick

      So, can't comment on the legal part (though the first amendment does specifically protect worship.) What I'm saying is that keeping indoor dining/bars/open this long in many places plus leadership hypocrisy has caused a legitimacy crisis.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    7. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 26 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Are you implying that this “legitimacy crisis” justifies, or influenced, the SCOTUS decision? The decision is an abomination and should not be defended. Personally I disagree with many state and local judgments about schools, restaurants, bars, etc., but these are tough calls.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick

      The Supreme Court decision is occurring in a context where the restrictions don’t look fair or science-based. Even the number versus percent capacity limits don’t make sense to me.

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        1. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          My own blood boils when they close the schools and not the bars. But I do think, with all their flaws, governors and local officials are motivated by a desire to slow the epidemic—EXCEPT for those perverted by right-wing ideology into protecting individual freedoms at all cost.

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        2. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Today’s SCOTUS decision is in the latter category. It is ideological, unjustified by logic or precedent, and disdainful of science.

          12 replies 19 retweets 125 likes
        3. justice can rise up, and hope and history rhyme‏ @jbwilsonii 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @JamesGleick @zeynep

          A shot across the bow is traditional, and they're now predominantly traditionalists, so-called.

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        1. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          About “number v percent capacity.” I absolutely understand your frustration. Any rule is going to be arbitrary and (therefore) wrong. This is a problem of making impossible political decisions in context of imperfect and always-changing epidemiological information.

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        1. JK‏ @j2dk 26 Nov 2020
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          Here's where wearing masks, imposing restrictions and tackling the virus aggressively gets you. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-eliminates-coronavirus-after-28-days-without-a-new-case-20201127-p56iev.html …

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