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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Steven Mazie

      I realize these restrictions were already eased but... I don't see how any locale can restrict religious service if it has indoor dining or bars open. If anything, the former can be done with masks. That said, it should be noted that singing/choir indoors is especially high-risk.https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1331838731893043201 …

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      Steven MazieVerified account @stevenmazie
      Tonight the Supreme Court's nine members—who are conducting oral arguments remotely from their homes—said New York may not impose a 10-person limit on attendance at houses of worship in COVID hotspots.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      Yes, restricting certain liberties and mandating certain precautions can be necessary for public health during a pandemic. But it is a high price and has to be narrowly-tailored and scientifically solid. Otherwise, we lose legitimacy, plus it doesn't work. And that's what we did.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      I'm not making a legal comment! Regardless of legal basis: restrictions must target activity by risk type. Any place that has indoor dining, bars and gyms open but tries to limit other, often lower-risk activities, is losing legitimacy and not targeting the pandemic properly.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Carly

      Indoor dining: unmasked. Again, not making a legal comment. Our hierarchy of closures should have started with indoor dining/bars/gyms—instead, most places kept/keep those open. Worship can be high risk (singing/unmasked) or lower risk (outdoors, masked).https://twitter.com/stagzr/status/1332004718848081920 …

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      Carly @stagzr
      Replying to @zeynep
      But indoor dining (when allowed) still had restrictions; required spacing, limited capacity, table groups didn’t intermingle as would occur in a church setting. A comparable situation for church would be indoor concerts; which were also not allowed.
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Colm

      I'm commenting on the legitimacy aspect, not legal basis. Restricting religious services requires a lot of legitimacy and many states have bars, gyms, casinos open. I am not commenting on whatever SCOTUS judges are claiming. I'm pointing out where we are.https://twitter.com/ilikenewspapers/status/1332006038774669312 …

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      Colm @ilikenewspapers
      Replying to @zeynep
      Isn’t that an argument for closing bars etc not for opening churches?
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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      For all I know, the SCOTUS opinion is nonsense. No idea! Not commenting on that. I'm just pointing out that we have a legitimacy crisis. The restrictions don't seem to apply to leaders (Congress wants a banquet for newcomers etc.) or be narrowly-targeted by risk. So here we are.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sanford May

      I have zero opinion on the legal part. We have a legitimacy crisis. It's making it harder for us to convince people.https://twitter.com/sanfordmay/status/1332011589747224577 …

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      Sanford May @sanfordmay
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      See Roberts’s dissent. That’s pretty much what he wrote: right now plaintiff needs no remedy because the order is no longer in effect, thus the Court should not decide in favor of an unnecessary remedy.
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        1. Sanford May‏ @sanfordmay 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I should’ve dropped you off the @. I was replying to the other guy. Sorry.

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        1. ExponentiallyAsymptotic‏ @ExponentiallyA 26 Nov 2020
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          Additionally, the restrictions should be strictly based on secular criteria, not where you are church or grocery store etc 1. Amount of time spent 2. Indoor or outdoor 3. Masks required, optional, need to take off? (E.g. dining) 4. Ventilation 5. Workplace or not? 5a. Essential?

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        1. slowphotographer‏ @slowphotograph2 26 Nov 2020
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          Re legitimacy: It’s unfortunate that the best/brightest/most powerful Blue State, coastal governors — Cuomo, Newsome — haven’t been able to come up with a “hierarchy of closures” that the incoming Biden administration could scale out universally. Laboratories of democracy??

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        2. Wil Rogan‏ @wilrogan 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          The legitimacy crisis is why I’m upset about California’s curfew — not to mention the critical and racial problems related to enforcing it.

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        3. Wil Rogan‏ @wilrogan 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @wilrogan @zeynep

          Interested in your thoughts on curfews to curb Covid spread.

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        1. Maximum Vaxxed Mary‏ @MaximumMary 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          But this case was about the red and orange zone restrictions, which also closed restaurants and gyms. Delivery and takeout only for red. Outdoor dining allowed in orange, but gyms closed. Churches had to obeyed the 10 person gathering rules. Not what you are saying. Pls rethink.

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