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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Steven Mazie

      I realize these restrictions were already eased but... I don't see how any locale can restrict religious service if it has indoor dining or bars open. If anything, the former can be done with masks. That said, it should be noted that singing/choir indoors is especially high-risk.https://twitter.com/stevenmazie/status/1331838731893043201 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Steven MazieVerified account @stevenmazie
      Tonight the Supreme Court's nine members—who are conducting oral arguments remotely from their homes—said New York may not impose a 10-person limit on attendance at houses of worship in COVID hotspots.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      Yes, restricting certain liberties and mandating certain precautions can be necessary for public health during a pandemic. But it is a high price and has to be narrowly-tailored and scientifically solid. Otherwise, we lose legitimacy, plus it doesn't work. And that's what we did.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      I'm not making a legal comment! Regardless of legal basis: restrictions must target activity by risk type. Any place that has indoor dining, bars and gyms open but tries to limit other, often lower-risk activities, is losing legitimacy and not targeting the pandemic properly.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Carly

      Indoor dining: unmasked. Again, not making a legal comment. Our hierarchy of closures should have started with indoor dining/bars/gyms—instead, most places kept/keep those open. Worship can be high risk (singing/unmasked) or lower risk (outdoors, masked).https://twitter.com/stagzr/status/1332004718848081920 …

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      Carly @stagzr
      Replying to @zeynep
      But indoor dining (when allowed) still had restrictions; required spacing, limited capacity, table groups didn’t intermingle as would occur in a church setting. A comparable situation for church would be indoor concerts; which were also not allowed.
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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Colm

      I'm commenting on the legitimacy aspect, not legal basis. Restricting religious services requires a lot of legitimacy and many states have bars, gyms, casinos open. I am not commenting on whatever SCOTUS judges are claiming. I'm pointing out where we are.https://twitter.com/ilikenewspapers/status/1332006038774669312 …

      zeynep tufekci added,

      Colm @ilikenewspapers
      Replying to @zeynep
      Isn’t that an argument for closing bars etc not for opening churches?
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

      For all I know, the SCOTUS opinion is nonsense. No idea! Not commenting on that. I'm just pointing out that we have a legitimacy crisis. The restrictions don't seem to apply to leaders (Congress wants a banquet for newcomers etc.) or be narrowly-targeted by risk. So here we are.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Nov 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sanford May

          I have zero opinion on the legal part. We have a legitimacy crisis. It's making it harder for us to convince people.https://twitter.com/sanfordmay/status/1332011589747224577 …

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          Sanford May @sanfordmay
          Replying to @TimBtweets @zeynep
          See Roberts’s dissent. That’s pretty much what he wrote: right now plaintiff needs no remedy because the order is no longer in effect, thus the Court should not decide in favor of an unnecessary remedy.
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        1. Robert Warns‏ @bobbywarnsiii 26 Nov 2020
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          And these issues are important at least because of how bad-faith people use them to discredit the entire notion of taking Covid seriously.

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        1. Brad‏ @bgtanguay 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Agree on the legitimacy issue. Government in general does not consistently apply the same restrictions, sending a conflicting message.

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        1. David Ridley‏ @RidleyDM 26 Nov 2020
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          SCOTUS has a legitimacy crisis too, which is only going to get worse.

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        2. Joe Cohen‏ @Cohen_Goes_HAM 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Gorsuch mentioned this in his opinion (liquor stores and acupuncture studios are open)

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        3. Mary Mazzocco‏ @OAKJRNAL 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @Cohen_Goes_HAM @zeynep

          I always stay in my liquor store for 90 minutes to hear the liquor sermon and the liquor choir sing. Then we all exchange the skoal of peace! Fellowship!

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        2. Tim Blanchard‏ @TimBtweets 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Seems to me SCOTUS had no business at all ruling on something that isn't even a state law.

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        3. Sanford May‏ @sanfordmay 26 Nov 2020
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          See Roberts’s dissent. That’s pretty much what he wrote: right now plaintiff needs no remedy because the order is no longer in effect, thus the Court should not decide in favor of an unnecessary remedy.

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        1. Fontaine Carpenter‏ @_nullifidius 26 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          We have a crisis of conflation of scientific risk assessment with personal bias in risk assessment. One protects the community, the other risks the community. In my community it is not the 'elite' per se, they are just the most visible example of this very human failure.

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        1. Jon.Schwartz‏ @JonSchw73589513 26 Nov 2020
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          Jon.Schwartz Retweeted Marc Lipsitch

          The court decision does not make sense from a public health perspective. The fact that many states have failed to impose adequate restrictions on other activities does not make the decision any more sensible.https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1331977558259331075?s=21 …

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          The self-proclaimed pro-life justices are privileging ritual above life. Communicable disease control requires sacrificing some personal desires to protect others. https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1331974982704967681 …
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