I think the farhad column is useful in that it shows that people are perfectly capable of making the “wrong” (honestly he seems pretty low on the risk spectrum for gatherings) decision even if they have all the relevant information, financial security etc
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@mattyglesias point but I think it shows the problem is that a lot of COVID behavior which may be rational from an individual's standpoint can nonetheless cause negative externalities for society.22 replies 17 retweets 479 likes -
I'd put "indoor dining" in that category, but wouldn't put "self-isolating for two weeks and then driving to a city to eat an outdoor meal with seven people" in that category. The latter is actually literally harmless.
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That was not at all what the first version of the column was though. It’s been majorly-edited. The first version was I don’t have a bubble but I had no idea, and the only precaution was kids will be pulled from learning pod for a week.
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Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and
I don’t mind people doing low risk activities as they see fit, of course. Issue was very publicly shrugging off something that is very important for people to understand: bubbles aren’t bubbles unless they’re *actually* bubbles. Few people have intuitive grasp of network theory.
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Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and
I think people understand pretty well their social bubbles are not pristine. It's mostly a euphemism to say "everybody's being *pretty* careful here, right?". Or it's hygenie theater to defend the choice to see other people in person when you think you might get scolded for it.
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Replying to @NateSilver538 @davidshor and
Actually, I thought that was the real value of the column. He thought he was in a bubble. I mean, the moment he said "kids in learning pod plus gym class", you knew he wasn't. That's not a bubble! It's an open network! But he professed his shock, but kept calling it bubble.
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Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and
the changes made (sneakily?) to the ending post publication would have changed the response too. in particular the detail of dining outdoors & not staying in the home of the parents including one 70 something diabetic dad
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Replying to @lorakolodny @NateSilver538 and
I'm genuinely lamenting how we didn't communicate this better over the summer: go have your backyard Thanksgiving especially with elderly relatives now. People are low in reserves just when they need it most. I wrote about it here:https://zeynep.substack.com/p/balancing-epistemic-humility-and …
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Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and
i am too. still don’t understand why, after an initial bit of uncertainty, outdoor classes, parks, pools or playgrounds were closed especially when masks coulld have been required & occupancy levels could have been decently controlled.
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Absolutely. Massive failure. I wrote this piece first week of April. There was enough evidence back then, and congestion management is something we do for so many things. Alas.https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/closing-parks-ineffective-pandemic-theater/609580/ …
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Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and
have shared that one many times! great work. (aside: i still get pissed off when maskless people get in my face outdoors. but i was the kind who wants & respects personal space even in the before times.)
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