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    1. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @MattZeitlin

      This is piggybacking off a @mattyglesias point but I think it shows the problem is that a lot of COVID behavior which may be rational from an individual's standpoint can nonetheless cause negative externalities for society.

      22 replies 17 retweets 479 likes
    2. (((David Shor)))‏Verified account @davidshor 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @MattZeitlin @mattyglesias

      I'd put "indoor dining" in that category, but wouldn't put "self-isolating for two weeks and then driving to a city to eat an outdoor meal with seven people" in that category. The latter is actually literally harmless.

      11 replies 3 retweets 120 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @davidshor @NateSilver538 and

      That was not at all what the first version of the column was though. It’s been majorly-edited. The first version was I don’t have a bubble but I had no idea, and the only precaution was kids will be pulled from learning pod for a week.

      3 replies 0 retweets 85 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      I don’t mind people doing low risk activities as they see fit, of course. Issue was very publicly shrugging off something that is very important for people to understand: bubbles aren’t bubbles unless they’re *actually* bubbles. Few people have intuitive grasp of network theory.

      8 replies 4 retweets 105 likes
    5. Jeremy Dunck‏ @jdunck 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      Every form of prevention is partial. Masks, distance, outdoor, etc each help. Total isolation, for many, is impossible. Each step slows spread, and matters. We must all do what we are able.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. (((David Shor)))‏Verified account @davidshor 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @jdunck @zeynep and

      Hanging out maskless outdoors is very very low risk (arguably riskless) and not communicating that to people has been a giant public health failure.

      4 replies 3 retweets 35 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @davidshor @jdunck and

      So I started writing open the parks/go outside pieces in early April—if you can remember the environment then—and wrote a bunch of things on all that, defending beaches, defending anything outside. That said, I think there's case for not assuming it's like the summer now.

      2 replies 0 retweets 28 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      When the conditions change—less sun/drier air plus much larger baseline so more encounters—the risks outdoor also shift. How much? Probably not that much, but we don't yet know. There are a few known outdoor cases in the literature. Reassuring how few but not impossible.

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      Which is to say: I agree, the miscommunication has been terrible. I think talking at close distance is still some risk even outdoors.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Michael‏ @Mjirv 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      Certainly there are documented cases of spread from close talking outdoors (I remember an early one from Korea for example)

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @Mjirv @davidshor and

      There's a jogging partner case from Italy, too. There's a temple incident in Hubei where some of the transmissions were outdoors (close contact for lengthy period). It was reassuringly rare, so good. There will be some shift now, but how much? We'll find out.

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        1. Jen Gaudette‏ @jengaude 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @Mjirv and

          I have resisted hiking or running with friends outside my bubble because the heavier breathing seemed risky. Glad to know I wasn’t being foolish there! Seems like safest way to socialize is at a distance (10+ ft) outside.

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