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    1. Matthew Zeitlin‏Verified account @MattZeitlin 21 Nov 2020

      I think the farhad column is useful in that it shows that people are perfectly capable of making the “wrong” (honestly he seems pretty low on the risk spectrum for gatherings) decision even if they have all the relevant information, financial security etc

      13 replies 5 retweets 250 likes
    2. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @MattZeitlin

      This is piggybacking off a @mattyglesias point but I think it shows the problem is that a lot of COVID behavior which may be rational from an individual's standpoint can nonetheless cause negative externalities for society.

      22 replies 17 retweets 479 likes
    3. (((David Shor)))‏Verified account @davidshor 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @MattZeitlin @mattyglesias

      I'd put "indoor dining" in that category, but wouldn't put "self-isolating for two weeks and then driving to a city to eat an outdoor meal with seven people" in that category. The latter is actually literally harmless.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @davidshor @NateSilver538 and

      That was not at all what the first version of the column was though. It’s been majorly-edited. The first version was I don’t have a bubble but I had no idea, and the only precaution was kids will be pulled from learning pod for a week.

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      I don’t mind people doing low risk activities as they see fit, of course. Issue was very publicly shrugging off something that is very important for people to understand: bubbles aren’t bubbles unless they’re *actually* bubbles. Few people have intuitive grasp of network theory.

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    6. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

      I think people understand pretty well their social bubbles are not pristine. It's mostly a euphemism to say "everybody's being *pretty* careful here, right?". Or it's hygenie theater to defend the choice to see other people in person when you think you might get scolded for it.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
      Replying to @NateSilver538 @davidshor and

      Actually, I thought that was the real value of the column. He thought he was in a bubble. I mean, the moment he said "kids in learning pod plus gym class", you knew he wasn't. That's not a bubble! It's an open network! But he professed his shock, but kept calling it bubble.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and

          I remember the NSA "hop" discussions after Snowden revelations. Turns out NSA could go three hops from an initial contact! And I remember trying to explain to people what three hops could mean and blowing their minds with how large it got, how quickly. It's not intuitive.

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        2. Lora Kolodny‏Verified account @lorakolodny 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and

          the changes made (sneakily?) to the ending post publication would have changed the response too. in particular the detail of dining outdoors & not staying in the home of the parents including one 70 something diabetic dad

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @lorakolodny @NateSilver538 and

          I'm genuinely lamenting how we didn't communicate this better over the summer: go have your backyard Thanksgiving especially with elderly relatives now. People are low in reserves just when they need it most. I wrote about it here:https://zeynep.substack.com/p/balancing-epistemic-humility-and …

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        2. Nate Silver‏Verified account @NateSilver538 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @davidshor and

          I mean it was certainly a weird column. The first half about the bubble was useful. And the second half about his decision to see his family while taking a *lot* of precautions is defensible. When you fuse those together into one column though it sets a strange tone.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @NateSilver538 @davidshor and

          Right, the unedited version (the one everyone reacted to) did not have a lot of precautions. It was "we'll drive" and "we'll pull the kids for one week" and "look into testing". No two week quarantine afterwards (risking his own bubble!), no outdoor dinner, no staying elsewhere..

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        1. Fontaine Carpenter‏ @_nullifidius 21 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @NateSilver538 and

          And no plans to reduce their exposure. The article is similar to any mask deniers' analysis or lockdown opponent. It purports to be a thoughtful, evidence based decision. But, it is at heart a denial of medical expertise to elevate an individual's 'feelings' over community safety

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