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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 9 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Kevin Robillard  🇺🇸

      Empirical proof for a possibility I had mentioned in my articles. The increasing certainty people felt over Biden's presidency might well have been one of the factors that cost Democrats the Senate.https://twitter.com/Robillard/status/1325823456680808450 …

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      Kevin Robillard  🇺🇸Verified account @Robillard
      A key point: Over the final month, GOP internal polling showed voters in red states started to believe Biden was likely to win the presidency. As they did, their willingness to vote for Democratic Senate candidates down-ballot plummeted. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-democrats-senate-dreams-crumbled_n_5fa8914fc5b623bfac5164a9?d6f … pic.twitter.com/TR1Pq90S2M
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Nov 2020

      Cunningham just conceded the NC Senate. Look, the things wrong with our polls are not fixable by any known method. Pollsters may guess the post-hoc weights right here and there, but the uncertainty is giant and structural. What then is another question. First, let’s face reality.pic.twitter.com/FyOnafGMbL

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 10 Nov 2020

      Collins won ME by almost 10%. The most damning part of these misses is they’re in the same systematic direction as the 2016 misses—so you know the pollsters tried to correct for it. They still missed big. We can’t model and weight dark matter electorate with these response rates.pic.twitter.com/9F93mdYvDY

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Nov 2020

      I like all the "why were the polls were so systematically wrong *again*" stories coming out, but here's the part that keeps getting skipped. The problems people are identifying are all plausible AND not fixable by any known method like weighting. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/upshot/polls-what-went-wrong.html …pic.twitter.com/CgA65TFg1V

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    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Nov 2020

      I'm just going to put an excerpt here from my NYT piece on why polls and forecasts were even less trustworthy in 2020 I published *before* the election. I'm not making post-hoc claims here. (Current text updated a bit now to reflect that's what happened) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/opinion/election-forecasts-modeling-flaws.html …pic.twitter.com/txR41T6G7I

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    6. Judd Legum‏Verified account @JuddLegum 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      What do you think of the notion that answering a poll has become a performance that is different from voting?People know their answers will be parsed and analyzed and help determine the narrative so they might provide a different answer than they provide in a voting booth.

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    7. Judd Legum‏Verified account @JuddLegum 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JuddLegum @zeynep

      I'm not saying a significant number of people are lying but perhaps polling in 2020 is just different than voting.

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JuddLegum

      We have a ton of things breaking polling *and* we have a ton of things that break forecasting. One of them seems definitely to be the cultural role they play. Plausible enthusiastic dems were more likely to answer, hostile Rs less so. Problem is both unknowable and unfixable.

      2 replies 2 retweets 20 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @JuddLegum

      I don’t understand the resistance to acknowledging that the many theories of poll/forecast failure are fine and plausible but few of them give us a way to confirm the theory fix the problem. So what you say is plausible, among other factors. But what then?

      2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    10. Judd Legum‏Verified account @JuddLegum 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I don't actually see it as a huge problem for anyone other than campaign operatives. The public doesn't really need to know the winner of an election in advance. Coverage should focus on substance.

      5 replies 8 retweets 81 likes
      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Nov 2020
      Replying to @JuddLegum

      I don't disagree, but for that to happen, we have to deprioritize the amount of coverage polls get and explain to people that we really can't forecast rare events like presidential elections on unreliable data--hence my plea. Let's all admit the problem and move on from this.

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        1. drmaggiesa  🕶‏ @drmaggiesa 11 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @JuddLegum

          Yes, please. What @zeynep says. Let’s work on that.

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        2. Frank Antonoff  🌹‏ @frankantonoff 11 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @JuddLegum

          in a world where @Facebook sells billions in ads based on an insanely accurate use of data; when baseball teams win or lose a World Series based on data decisions; when Peloton/Fitbit/CrossFit proliferate because health is now quantifiable the toothpaste might be out of the tube

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        3. KD‏ @Kddid15 11 Nov 2020
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          Could you help me understand the World Series example?

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        1. Dan Hauge‏ @danhauge 11 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @JuddLegum

          The protracted nature of our elections, and the narrative and drama that polls are designed to feed, is all essential to our media business model, so I don't see how it goes anytime soon. Though it should.

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