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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nicholas Kristof

      Not only is this not correct, it’s a great disservice to one area these countries excelled: the science. They had scientists who understood airborne transmission and key role of ventilation and superspreading early on, along with explaining correctly reason for masks.https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1324875370542358529 …

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      Nicholas KristofVerified account @NickKristof
      This is exactly right. Countries with high cohesion, with strong sense of community and interpersonal ethical obligation, have managed Covid-19 well; Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, other Confucian societies are all examples. One metric of cohesion is willingness to wear masks. https://twitter.com/DrTomFrieden/status/1324828064342310913 …
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

      It is ridiculous western wishful thinking and orientalism to think it was just social cohesion because they’re “Confucian”. They had the science right and their institutions worked. Ours didn’t. And their people responded to the advice of scientists in functional institutions.

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    3. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 7 Nov 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Agree the "orientalism" is ridiculous and in general that post-hoc analysis is fit into whatever square hole we want. (If Germany was doing well, they would be on these lists too.) I'm less sure that "following the science" is the whole explanation; say, for Cambodia' success.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020
      Replying to @WesPegden

      There are successful non-Asian countries, too. Plus, even if you were going to make an argument from immunity, what on earth happened in South Korea early on?

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        1. Koen‏ @KoenSwinkels 7 Nov 2020
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          Nicaragua and Uruguay also appear to have done very well.

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        2. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 7 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Variation in social interactions (both in number and nature) or (more speculatively?) exposure to other pathogens could play a role in susceptibility differences—a priori I would not expect R0 to be very similar across countries. After early well-deserved attention on the... 1/3

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        3. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 7 Nov 2020
          Replying to @WesPegden @zeynep

          the strategies in some successful places, the next step should have been a careful quantitative study of how things are really working there. In some cases this requires data that I'm not even sure has been made public. For example, I would like to know for each country:2/3

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