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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nicholas Kristof

      Not only is this not correct, it’s a great disservice to one area these countries excelled: the science. They had scientists who understood airborne transmission and key role of ventilation and superspreading early on, along with explaining correctly reason for masks.https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1324875370542358529 …

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      Nicholas KristofVerified account @NickKristof
      This is exactly right. Countries with high cohesion, with strong sense of community and interpersonal ethical obligation, have managed Covid-19 well; Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, other Confucian societies are all examples. One metric of cohesion is willingness to wear masks. https://twitter.com/DrTomFrieden/status/1324828064342310913 …
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

      It is ridiculous western wishful thinking and orientalism to think it was just social cohesion because they’re “Confucian”. They had the science right and their institutions worked. Ours didn’t. And their people responded to the advice of scientists in functional institutions.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

          Also by the way there are many ways in which we failed spectacularly, but Europe is not doing great either. In someways, worse. And there are a lot of non-Asian countries that are doing well. The western malaise is broad, and isn’t limited to the outgoing (!) administration.

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        2. chava‏ @jens_hm 7 Nov 2020
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          Psst..Sweden is known as the most social cohesive nation and "science"-led in the western hemisphere. Or was, perhaps.

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        3. Odin Hørthe Omdal‏ @odinho 8 Nov 2020
          Replying to @jens_hm @zeynep

          This is correct, but us their neighbour, Norway, has handled covid very well IMHO. The thing is, in a cohesive natiin the leadership matters a lot. We trust the scientists, so we need them to be right. Not a bad apple like Tengell.

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        1. keep your electric eye on me‏ @murakamiwood 7 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I've been working on the Japanese case and it's not quite as clear as that and there has been a lot more luck and trial and error but, in general, yes, I agree.

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        2. Saki‏ @tkhs_saki 7 Nov 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          For example I know Japanese mass media is way better at explaining complex topics than American mass media

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        3. moskowitz‏ @moskowitz 7 Nov 2020
          Replying to @tkhs_saki @zeynep

          Really? I lived there for 7 years & found the media, all of it, very structured & obedient.

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        2. This is not a place of honour‏ @hroethgar 7 Nov 2020
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          Conversely, New Zealand doesn't have the same strength of medical research as, say, Taiwan or South Korea. We don't have Confucianism as a tradition. But we're much more willing to take collective action than other Western countries, apparently. The collectivism is the magic!

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        3. This is not a place of honour‏ @hroethgar 7 Nov 2020
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          But it's not "ethnic"magic.

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        1. Albert Pinto‏ @70sBachchan 7 Nov 2020
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          E Asian scientists figured out virus properties under huge uncertainty of January; made mistakes & corrected them. How would things be now if control strategy in Xi's pivotal Feb 3rd speech was read & acted upon in other countries? https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xinhuanet.com%2Fpolitics%2F2020-02%2F15%2Fc_1125578886.htm … https://twitter.com/70sBachchan/status/1295963308890128385 …pic.twitter.com/UAtCuDaO8w

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        1. Koen‏ @KoenSwinkels 7 Nov 2020
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          Those governments tended to treat the public like adults capable of responsible decision-making based on accurate scientific info rather than like children who can only handle simplistic messages & who need to be scared into submission & are blamed for anything that goes wrong.

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