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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

    zeynep tufekci Retweeted Nicholas Kristof

    Not only is this not correct, it’s a great disservice to one area these countries excelled: the science. They had scientists who understood airborne transmission and key role of ventilation and superspreading early on, along with explaining correctly reason for masks.https://twitter.com/NickKristof/status/1324875370542358529 …

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    Nicholas KristofVerified account @NickKristof
    This is exactly right. Countries with high cohesion, with strong sense of community and interpersonal ethical obligation, have managed Covid-19 well; Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, other Confucian societies are all examples. One metric of cohesion is willingness to wear masks. https://twitter.com/DrTomFrieden/status/1324828064342310913 …
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      2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

        It is ridiculous western wishful thinking and orientalism to think it was just social cohesion because they’re “Confucian”. They had the science right and their institutions worked. Ours didn’t. And their people responded to the advice of scientists in functional institutions.

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      3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 7 Nov 2020

        Also by the way there are many ways in which we failed spectacularly, but Europe is not doing great either. In someways, worse. And there are a lot of non-Asian countries that are doing well. The western malaise is broad, and isn’t limited to the outgoing (!) administration.

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      2. keep your electric eye on me‏ @murakamiwood 7 Nov 2020
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        So many ways in which it's not correct, not least the Huntingdon-esque 'confucian societies' bullshit, and the complete exlcusion of African nations which have done just as well as Asian ones without any of the resources and very different social conditions.

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      1. Lana Sinapayen‏ @sina_lana 7 Nov 2020
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        Yes. It's insulting to always see western people react to Asian success with "it's because they're a bunch of obedient robots with a beehive mind". Can orientalism die already? (Also Japan didn't take half of the measures South Korea did, shouldn't even be in the same group)

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      1. Clark H‏ @Clarksterh 7 Nov 2020
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        And the need for regional quarantine (buys time to prep), and even now western ID experts haven’t really acknowledged this.

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      2. Tajar Varghese  🌷‏ @tajarvarghese 7 Nov 2020
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        or it could be immunity? zeynep look at tokyo seroprevalence studies? well over 50%. this is a 60nm virus. it spreads, like viruses do. why is asia uniformly so good and the rest of world uniformly so bad? is every asian country the same? of course not. not so lurking variable.

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      3. Florian Laws‏ @florianlaws 7 Nov 2020
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        Why would another unknown virus that causes cross-immunity be spread across Asia but not the rest of the world?

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      2. Unregulated Mathematics‏ @ClipperChip 7 Nov 2020
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        Germany?

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      3.  ☢ ciⒶby  ☣‏ @ciaby 7 Nov 2020
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        Have you seen Leipzig today?

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