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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      You think there’s no value added from expertise in “Foreign policy, or economics, or Public health policy”??? That’s ... wow. There are questions in those domains that are political, and belong to the public. That something different.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      OK. In which case I’d like to say that it’s not qualitatively different than a lot of these feels that you think of as “hard” expertise. They too have trade-offs which belong to the public, and not the experts.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      The granularity of our understanding and grasp of causal mechanisms in the domain to differ from field to field for sure. But they all hit trade-offs, and then same thing happens: attempted usurpation of politics by the experts, assumption there’s a singular technocratic solution

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    8. Raffi‏ @rak3re 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      but the pilot knows *exactly* the cause and effect of each decision in their domain. the economist or public health expert can only vaguely know the same in theirs. if they hit the trade-offs much sooner, doesn’t that mean their expertise is relatively less valuable?

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @rak3re @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      I want to introduce you to some pilots in general aviation!

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    10. Raffi‏ @rak3re 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      fair enough! my only point is that complete mastery of a field like econ, foreign policy, etc. does not confer as much ability to explain cause and effect as the same level of mastery in a field like programming, aviation, etc.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @rak3re @Chris_arnade @antoniogm

      Finer-grained understanding confers almost no public benefits on its own, though; historically, actually, it makes things worse probably more of the time. It's striking how every field forgets this as soon as things get a bit under control.

      12:08 PM - 31 Oct 2020
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