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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020

      Another article making the rounds complaining about pandemic "epistemic trespassing", unironically quoting a medical expert who has adamantly & baselessly claimed masks would induce false sense of security—to great harm. For "trust the experts" to work, experts need to deliver.

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    2. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Another perspective is just that one shouldn't consider the strength of a person's background in an unrelated field as conferring special status on their arguments. What they say is valuable to the extent that it makes sense, not because they have a degree in something else. 1/2

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    3. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @WesPegden @zeynep

      So the "trespassing" that is most problematic in my view is when experts misrepresent (or even misunderstand) the relevance of their expertise for a particular question, rather than making arguments we expect to stand on their own. 2/2

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @WesPegden

      There's a truth to it: non-virogists aren't going to be able to evaluate virology claims. I'm just unable to get over an tsk-tsk epistemic trespassing article citing a medical expert who has been very confident making baseless claims, and is slow to resistant to actual evidence.

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    5. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Certainly in many cases it will be hard to pass my test of making an argument "that makes sense" without some actual domain expertise! But few of the public virologists are sticking to virology claims in their public discussion (which is good, everyone should be thinking).

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
      Replying to @WesPegden

      Multiple things. There are topics that are not domain of domain expertise, but of values and trade-offs, and the "expert" discussion hasn't recognized this. But more fundamentally, some of the expert class still seems to think the core problem is public doesn't trust the experts.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
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      "If only you trusted us, everything would be great" might work in some countries, but I don't think there is a single country in the Western sphere that can claim that. On top of that, there's our own circumstances, extra failure by the administration.

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        1. Keith Vince‏ @keithyvince 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @WesPegden

          Isn’t this a consequence of the quest for scientific consensus taking place on a global public scale?

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @WesPegden

          I guess I should say that I'm actually worried about the lack of self-awareness... We do need to have a functioning system where we can rely on experts and expertise to have these broader discussions about trade-offs. To gain trust, they need to understand why they don't have it.

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        3. Tali‏ @talirichards4 31 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @WesPegden

          Nobody is an expert on this virus (yet). There are experts on other viruses, or other pandemics. That expertise can be useful. It can also lead to bias, since this virus is different from these other viruses in various ways. The best experts are mindful of these limitations.

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        1. MaximusDerrick‏ @misguidedsoul7 31 Oct 2020
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          Very true. But particular problematic is when*some leader* with more power than almost anyone to make things happen DOESN'T trust the experts. Because in many eyes he's by definition an expert on everything, and the real experts end up preaching to the choir..

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