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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Michael Mina

      We're headed again to ~1,000 deaths per day and there's uncontrolled spread in multiple regions. Remember, the reduced death rate is because of therapeutics and better clinical management—available only if hospitalized. At this rate, we'll overrun hospital staff/capacity again.https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1320468341698580487 …

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      Michael MinaVerified account @michaelmina_lab
      This is incredibly sad and bad news for the US. In only 3 days, the 14-day average change in #COVID19 HOSPITALIZATIONS has skyrocketed from 7% to 15%! This means hospitalizations are not simply increasing but accelerating upwards at a fast pace. 1/ https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1319119516517924864 … pic.twitter.com/rCsNsE9Esa
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020

      You can't magically expand hospital capacity because it's not just space: we're short of qualified medical staff and multiple regions with spikes limits transfers. Plus medical personnel have been at it since March. And many coronaviruses are seasonal—this may well be another.

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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020

      The whole point of "flatten-the-curve" in March was to give us some breathing space while hospitals caught up with the cases, advanced their knowledge, and our governments put in the proper infrastructure. Not spend the rest of the year in magical-thinking land. What a tragedy.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020

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      I don't understand what the UK is doing, either. You can only travel five miles (what happens to the virus in mile six? Is it afraid of distances?) but you CAN go into an indoor pub, but you must be seated (virus has vertigo?). What is the logic? https://twitter.com/mcelhearn/status/1320699357608448002 …

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    5. Jay Owens‏ @hautepop 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      The distance rules are I think to prevent beauty spots being overrun with visitors as everyone does the one thing they are allowed to do: go for walks. Obviously there's space in the outdoors, but not so much in carparks, loos, cafes & amenities around them.

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    6. Jay Owens‏ @hautepop 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @hautepop @zeynep

      Not saying it's a perfect rule, but it is a response to some overcrowding that occured in Lockdown One. (Unlike the US, the UK doesn't require you to apply for permits by fax and pay to go hiking in popular outdoor spots. That policy surprised me when I first encountered it.)

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @hautepop

      That outdoor overcrowding led to very little, if anything, though except scoldy articles in the media. It's the worst kind of rule, it prevents low-risk activities while encouraging high-risk ones out of the scolding cameras of the press.

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    8. Jay Owens‏ @hautepop 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      The specific UK solution would be to encourage people to get outdoor but yet not all go to the same outdoor places, because some places were getting overwhelmed. Dispersion was the missing principle! 5 mile limits not a very good way of doing it, but an attempt.

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    9. Murray Calder‏ @ScotStratGuy 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @hautepop @zeynep

      Not sure how one might manage the dispersion part of this? IN the absence of the US style permit system you’ve alluded to up thread.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ScotStratGuy @hautepop

      By targeting the conditions of superspreading rather than performative rules. There’s been nonstop fears of peripheral overcrowding at popular spots but that’s not what the data show.

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        1. Murray Calder‏ @ScotStratGuy 26 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @hautepop

          Yes. But there are real capacity issues at some of these outdoor spaces, nothing to do with the virus. It’s a crowd control issue, not an epidemiological one.

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