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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 17 Oct 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Julian Missig

      Yep. Wikipedia is a genuine huge barrier to women in public—most people’s first impression of someone is a Wikipedia page. Women are edited harshly, not contributed to, overlooked or deleted. You can help out by editing, adding and pushing back as much as possible.https://twitter.com/jmissig/status/1317602431610441730 …

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      Julian Missig @jmissig
      Replying to @Pinboard
      A well-published tenured professor who taught me had her wikipedia page removed for not being notable. I contested it and my request was denied. Then Wikipedia held some sort of “make pages for notable women scientists!” day. I brought that page back up and was denied again.
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    2. Frederick Noronha (FN)‏Verified account @fn 18 Oct 2020
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      It often boils down to how well an article is cited. Agree this can be tough. In parts of the world which are mostly oral societies, and don't have too many citations on its people, places and institutions, this can be a real job!

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 18 Oct 2020
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      Not just, though. Even after the notability barrier is passed, women's pages don't reflect their full accomplishments. People don't bother adding to them, and entrenched editors with more time on their hands edit them harshly.

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      • Jane Darnell Le Fez, c’est moi debs Shirley Haruka Bekins Deborah Basckin Etta Devine ⬢ Jens Wiechers ⬡ (he/him; prefers they/them) No unity with impunity 🥘💫zephyr floof☀️🌨
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        1. Frederick Noronha (FN)‏Verified account @fn 18 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Agree that there is every possibility of systemic bias in the case of less-powerful groups. This needs to be highlighted and addressed. One such initiative could be Women_in_Red https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red …

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        2. Frederick Noronha (FN)‏Verified account @fn 18 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Agree. But will extend to say that this afflicts many groups in non-dominant positions. From my context of a tiny Third World region that is mostly an oral, non-written, poorly-digitised society, we are always falling foul of the one-size-fits-all show-us-the-citations logic.

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        3. Frederick Noronha (FN)‏Verified account @fn 18 Oct 2020
          Replying to @fn @zeynep

          So the question is, what is to be done to change the situation? Can it? Has it been placed on the agenda? Also the fact that most Wikipedia editors tend to be male, nerdy, Western and urban. Or am I wrong?

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        1. Jane Darnell‏ @janedarnell 21 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @fn

          Yes I have also switched my activities to Wikidata so some “harsh edits” on pages I created are unseen by me. It’s weird to feel guilty about that. Again, the only solution is to have more volunteers.

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        1. Jane Darnell‏ @janedarnell 21 Oct 2020
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          To be fair, the large majority of pages about men have the same problem. It tends to be more visible on women’s pages just because those pages are so much shorter.

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