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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Katherine Faulders

      So is this part of the White House cluster? Probably so, right?https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/1313522445731745792 …

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      Katherine FauldersVerified account @KFaulders
      Wow — A U.S. official confirms that all the members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are quarantining at home after a positive COVID test for Admiral Ray, the Vice Commandant of the US Coast Guard, per @LMartinezABC.
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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Jennifer Jacobs

      And more...https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1313507289161236480 …

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      Jennifer JacobsVerified account @JenniferJJacobs
      NEWS: One of the president's military aides, Coast Guard aide Jayna McCarron, has coronavirus, sources tell me. And so does one of the president's valets, who is also active duty military, and traveled with the president last week.
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 11 Oct 2020

      🙄Anyone proposing Sweden as a contrarian example has *no idea* what they're talking about. Sweden had a more strict & early indoor gathering limit than most of Europe, never lifted it when others did & everyone 16+ is in virtual school. Japan! Try Japan! https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/ …pic.twitter.com/rguHxKsJXo

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    4. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      It is categorically not true that Sweden had a stricter or earlier indoor gathering limits. 50 is not a 'strict' limit by any standards, and it went live on 29-March, many days after schools had closed, and countries were in *full lockdowns* across Europe.

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    5. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ritwik_priya @zeynep

      It is also not relevant to say that it never 'lifted' these - UK has flitted between gatherings of 6 and 30 indoors/outdoors with 2m distancing and schools barely opened in September, so while it 'lifted' restrictions, it has never been less restrictive than Sweden.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ritwik_priya

      Most of Europe, including the UK, lifted restrictions indoors with distance/capacity, not number of people. From a superspreading point of view, cap on number of people is more strict. A Spain nightclub at 50% capacity can be thousands of people. Capacity is performative strict.

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    7. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Ok agreed. So, 1. The earlier and stricter point is still incorrect. 2. The argument really is about the current distinction between Sweden and others. Which is fine, but needs to be augmented by a comparison of why Sweden Mk II is better than Sweden Mk I with the same rules.

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    8. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ritwik_priya @zeynep

      We can't simply state/imply that Sweden has had 'tighter' policy than people think and leave it at that. That take has too many caveats.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ritwik_priya

      I disagree. The claim is embedded in an article of ~5,000 words that explains *why* it is stricter and more consistent than almost all of Europe which had a very strict lock-down followed by an opening that only took capacity into account. It's not a throwaway claim.

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    10. Ritwik Priya‏ @ritwik_priya 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      I've read the article, and the one from Kai S in Science 4 months ago, and the overdispersion papers. It is good article. But it does not at all establish the comparative magnitude of the interventions in various European countries. Spain opened nightclubs, UK didn't.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 13 Oct 2020
      Replying to @ritwik_priya

      I'm going to refer you to the article and leave it at that because the point stands. UK and almost all of rest of Europe *did not* put an absolute limit on number of people in indoor gatherings when they opened up. Sweden *kept* its limit the whole time. https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-regulations-lockdown-social-distancing-pubs-162647770.html …pic.twitter.com/w7Z4kkhMSi

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