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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @peterstaley @CDCgov @CDCDirector

      The public facing guidelines are much improved (and include a lot of changes) and I suspect they will again have to update the health-care worker impacting ones like this—basically on what non-COVID wards need. That's probably what the fight was about with the withdrawal/repost.

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    3. Jake Scott, MD‏ @jakescottMD 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @peterstaley and

      “A lot of pushback from hospitals etc. who don’t want to confront this issue”? Can you please explain? What’s that suspicion based on?

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @jakescottMD @peterstaley and

      Who gets N95s where.. I keep hearing fights over this from health-care workers. Early on, it was who gets *any* kind of masks anywhere. Now it's who gets N95s when and where. Hospitals in the US tend to have good engineering so likely obscuring the issue a bit; not true globally.

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    5. Jake Scott, MD‏ @jakescottMD 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @peterstaley and

      So hospitals pushed back on CDC communication re transmission because of their N95 supply issues?

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @jakescottMD @peterstaley and

      I don't know what happened in the CDC. But I keep hearing these fights within hospitals about what these guidelines touch: droplet versus airborne precautions, which is different than what the guidelines mean for the public.

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    7. Jake Scott, MD‏ @jakescottMD 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @peterstaley and

      I respect your opinion, but the implications of this suspicion based on “hearing fights” are serious, IMO, and could reverberate. Also, I think the focus on N95s may be a bit misguided. Is there evidence that they are more protective than surgical masks in non-AGP settings?

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @jakescottMD @peterstaley and

      Those are good questions to investigate! Early on, much of the public health community was telling us only N95s were good enough, and anything else was probably a waste of time. I'm definitely hearing a lot of tensions but you are right that I'm not making a claim about the CDC.

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    9. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @jakescottMD and

      There was a great study in Norway with providers showing no exposures among HCW with basic PPE. And I am seriously hopeful that it was enough as it has all that I have had access to...and same as partner...with in person care since March :)

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    10. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @sdbaral @zeynep and

      Hi all, Here is the study....https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120304023 …

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
      Replying to @sdbaral @jakescottMD and

      Confounding issue is some hospitals have excellent engineering controls (as they should) but others don't so it's hard to extrapolate the mask question from a study in a country because we also have places with a lot of HCW infections. Not making a claim but noting a tension.

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        2. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @jakescottMD and

          Totally--and wasn't disagreeing. It is complex and external validity (ie, generalizability) of most studies these days is limited! But will say that I felt a little more comfortable when this one came out personally. And that's a win I will take these days :)

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @sdbaral @jakescottMD and

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Trisha Greenhalgh

          But also this.https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1313519776329854981 …

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          Trisha GreenhalghVerified account @trishgreenhalgh
          Well. Being coughed on is more of an aerosol-generator than intubating someone. https://twitter.com/traumagasdoc/status/1313517265443262465?s=20 …
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        2. Jake Scott, MD‏ @jakescottMD 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @sdbaral and

          There are always going to be confounding issues and I acknowledge that it’s hard to generalize hospital-based studies to the public, and to under-resourced settings. As a frontline HCW who is also involved in ensuring that HCWs in my hospital are safe, I don’t take this lightly.

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        3. Stefan Baral‏Verified account @sdbaral 6 Oct 2020
          Replying to @jakescottMD @zeynep and

          And there were only so many of us that could stop seeing folks in person. Ie, im not Emerg or ICU, but all GPs stopped seeing folks in person and relied on virtual care. And I work in shelter for >65 yo...I think one guy has a smart phone. ie, a mix of hope and preparation.

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