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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020

      In case there's any misunderstanding, I think the administrations response to COVID in general has been broadly catastrophic, and a scandal. The pandemic is and remains a huge threat; nothing to take lightly. School risks are complex. But it's important to get things right.

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted PastaMonkey

      Two reasons. First, my thread is getting linked by people who spread misinformation about the pandemic, blindly defend the administration, and play down the risks. Two, making my own sense of things clear to provide context.https://twitter.com/monkey_pasta/status/1311000305136553984 …

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      PastaMonkey @monkey_pasta
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      Don’t you think there’s something wrong though, when you defend the administration against false reporting, that we feel obliged to say just how much we don’t like the administration? I don’t like it either, but there’s stuff in every administration I don’t like.
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    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020

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      Here's an example highlighting excellent work by the CDC. I still find the suggestion baffling that the CDC scientists would balk at providing age-distributions, or consider that meddling. Cherry-picking data, yes. Age-distributions aren't cherry-picking. https://twitter.com/SurelyVoter/status/1311020413284089856 …

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    4. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
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      I’m having trouble understanding your objection. Presumably the CDC has all the age-distribution data. It certainly should. The White House seemed to want a particular chart for PR purposes. And particular language. All political: minimize Covid to help Trump’s reelection.

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    5. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick @zeynep

      If CDC scientists—in preparing their guidance for reopening schools—ignored their age-distribution data and lumped all 0- to 25-year-olds together, that would be criminally stupid. I don’t see any reason to think they did that.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick

      The article makes the astonishing claim that 0-25 is "normal" and that somehow asking for a age breakdown is meddling, or it was resisted? Why? Article also cited a study that was misreported (and later corrected) as if it were correct. Dunno, really. Reporters need to update.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @JamesGleick

      (And of course CDC provides age breakdowns and has had excellent reports. I don't understand what the reporters are claiming, it makes very little sense. The print version has many errors remaining; they've been silently updating the online one but still not coherent).

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    8. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      Surely you do understand what the reporters are claiming. The White House made it clear to the CDC that information suggesting Covid-19 is a serious problem was to be suppressed and public reports were to be arranged so as to encourage people to go about their “normal” lives.

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    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick

      The particulars of the story are not that, though, in this case. They list a bunch of routine stuff and/or cite studies that were (very visibly) corrected and/or make claims that are either not coherent or correct. The reporters need to talk to science reporters and fix & update.

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    10. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep

      The paragraph that most bothered you seems pretty trivial. CDC is circulating some bar chart for some purpose. It’s not important. What’s important is that the political people want a chart with a specific message. That shouldn’t be happening. The CDC isn’t part of the campaign.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020
      Replying to @JamesGleick

      That’s just the opening paragraph. The rest of the piece also doesn’t make sense in most of its claims. One likely interpretation is that the reporters had little understanding of the science? Their claims about the CDC makes little sense. It’s baffling. You tell me.

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        1. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          Most of the piece is about political interference, based on interviews with those involved. You’re seizing on some minor details. To put it another way, do you think the CDC is stupidly lumping all <25-year-olds together in making its recommendations? And some honorable ...

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        2. James Gleick‏Verified account @JamesGleick 29 Sep 2020
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          people at the White House are trying to correct that? I don’t think that’s what you think.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 29 Sep 2020
          Replying to @JamesGleick

          I don’t think so—hah—but till the reporters clarify, I can’t make sense of what they’re specifically saying in this piece.

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