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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @antoniogm @benthompson

      What do you think is the game for (most) academics? It's not a job populated mostly by people trying to maximize their earnings or their public visibility. Anyone who can succeed in the tough academic job market could almost certainly make much more money some other way.

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    2. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @antoniogm @benthompson

      I pretty strongly disagree w/ this. Academics at the PhD level feeding into the job market optimize for status within the hierarchy of their guild & the larger academy (but mostly guild). Some of these skills may translate to BigCos but in general I think they'd be eaten alive.

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    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @antoniogm @jonst0kes @benthompson

      You're totally wrong because those companies are hiring academics fresh off the PhD in large numbers by dangling a lot of money, and if they had hired more earlier, they'd have avoided some of their stupidest, easy-to-avoid mistakes. (Though wouldn't solve the big thorny ones).

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    5. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @antoniogm @benthompson

      I think this is one of those things that depends on the PhD. Are they hiring critical theorists? Or are they hiring bioinformatics types?

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jonst0kes @antoniogm @benthompson

      I've seen hires across the board in social sciences, to be honest. They could do with some more critical theorists in some fields. Some of the stuff is surprisingly practical in its implications; what gets dunked on social media is the stupidest version (as one expects).

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    7. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @antoniogm @benthompson

      I spent enough time two good history depts to get familiar with the non-Twitter version of critical theory, & in fact am now revisiting it in the evenings. I think the point of critical theory is to produce more criticism. They don't build things. They problematize.

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    8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jonst0kes @antoniogm @benthompson

      History scholars produce incredible work that's super practical and enormously time-consuming. Honestly, I feel like I'm cheating every-time I read their work. Policy, tech, business... Those are different things.

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    9. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @antoniogm @benthompson

      I trained to be a historian of early Christianity. If you tried to produce something practical, you were looked down on. It was considered gauche & career death to try to connect w/ current events. The more obscure & pointless the work, the better your odds of winning with it.

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    10. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jonst0kes @zeynep and

      This was true for the entire Society of Biblical Literature, as well as the closely related American Academy of Religions guild. There were no rewards for "popularizers" & people who wanted to play the public intellectual. That way lie career suicide.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
      Replying to @jonst0kes @antoniogm @benthompson

      YEP! Totally can see that happening rather than Antonio's suggestion, that it's a bunch of commenters holding court over society. It's a very very different incentive structure. That said, the skill-set and knowledge has super practical implications despite the career incentives.

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        2. jonstokes(\.com|\.eth)‏ @jonst0kes 15 Sep 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @antoniogm @benthompson

          I always felt like library sciences were the best kept academic secret, in terms of practical stuff that could and totally should be used at Google and other places that deal with large volumes of cultural output.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 15 Sep 2020
          Replying to @jonst0kes @antoniogm @benthompson

          I'm currently at such a school (Library and Information Science School). Yep, our graduates work in the industry all the time. Honestly, Antonio's academy description a bit like the way Bret Stephens thinks Oberlin is representative of US undergrads.

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