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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @NarangVipin @apsmunro

      You bet I made that choice. Because our positivity is low. If your district made a different decision despite the low positivity perhaps there were other reasons involved. Like the state of the buildings

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    3. Wes Pegden‏ @WesPegden 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @NarangVipin @apoorva_nyc @apsmunro

      If your school district is like mine there are publicly available videos of the board meetings. There is going to be a vast online video archive of the impact that SK article had on closing schools.

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    5. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @NarangVipin @WesPegden @apsmunro

      You mean because of the studies. I’m not the one who did the study, nor am I the only reporter who covered them. I know it’s tempting to look for a scapegoat, but keep looking.

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    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @NarangVipin and

      Yes and no. I personally know parents who changed their whole next year because of the NYT article on the SK study... Also know school districts citing NYT SK study article, changing plans. NYT does have weight and the timing was powerful. Otoh, other outlets didn't even correct.

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    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

      Otoh otoh the study authors really did not do a good job presenting what they did and did not find (though I think the statistics were off even without the extra info that we soon got). I still think people are putting too much on one reporter (you!) and not enough on ecology.

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    8. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @NarangVipin and

      But this assumes, Zeynep, that the ultimate conclusion from those papers was wrong--and from what experts tell me, it's not. The bottomline is still: kids are mostly asymptomatic, but they do transmit--younger kids perhaps less, and older kids perhaps the same, as adults.

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    9. Apoorva Mandavilli‏Verified account @apoorva_nyc 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @zeynep and

      The papers may have been flawed, and may have received too much attention--but it's not like I wrote some rash opinion column, I talked to 4 scientists. And the take-home from other studies has been the same.

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    10. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @apoorva_nyc @NarangVipin and

      The takeaway people got was 10-year-olds can transmit as much as adults. Not kidding, I heard that exact phrase from a neighbor's 10 year old! Verbatim. I don't think this is your fault at all; it's the way the whole thing works. The study; the timing; the headline...

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Sep 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

      And Trump jumping in... It all converged. What we needed to communicate was that we can't bin 10 and 19-year-olds; that this study didn't have index cases; there was secondary exposure etc. Not a good environment for communicating any of this.

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Sep 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @apoorva_nyc and

          (I think that it's plausible that even if the NYT had not published a word on this, it would be a similar outcome to be honest given everything.)

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