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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

      I do not understand the logic of the graphs in this (NYT article shared with alarm) article at all. At best, they're uninformative, but at worst, wildly misleading. Percent share can increase a lot if the baseline is low, or if fewer adults get infected and can mean nothing. ???pic.twitter.com/X1UuOaMq0T

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    2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

      And the underlying data shows that "children" includes teens up to 19. Yes, we need better data on children but we do have one reliable statistic: deaths. Mercifully, nationally and cumulatively, COVID has killed fewer minors, including teens, than seasonal flu in a normal year.pic.twitter.com/9QyrBOihvs

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

      I wish we knew more! But we're not completely without data. We know kids are not COVID superspreaders & their mortality is lower than seasonal flu, even including teens. The risk of transmission ticks up with age. Putting teens and young adults with younger kids obscures reality.

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

          Anyway, that graph makes no informative sense to me. You don't learn much from it, to be honest, but very likely one would be misled—especially given that headline. Also obscures the potential crisis headed our way because of YOUNG INFECTED ADULTS being sent back home.🙄

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alasdair Munro

          In general, unlike the very early days, we should now be looking reviews and preponderance of evidence, not covering single studies or highlighting useless statistics. I wish more media covered researchers who do that kind of review work. Here's one.https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1298684720411226114 …

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          Alasdair MunroVerified account @apsmunro
          Lots of people badly misinterpret some of the literature of #covid19 in children It’s hard to keep up and analyse it in detail, so it’s understandable Luckily, our team of dedicated reviewers have done the hard work so you don’t have to @DFTBubbles https://dontforgetthebubbles.com/evidence-summary-paediatric-covid-19-literature/ …
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        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Meira Levinson

          Another review article. We have key gaps in knowledge; we also have accumulating evidence. This is all difficult enough without causing whiplash in the public by overly highlighting single studies (no longer what we should do) or with uninformative graphs.https://twitter.com/meiralevinson/status/1288584967317065729 …

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          Meira Levinson @meiralevinson
          My paper with @mlipsitch and @mugecevik about why reopening primary schools in a safe and pedagogically responsible way should be a national priority--and what to do to make it a reality #EdEthics #EducationWithCOVID @hgse @dsallentess https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms2024920 …
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        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

          zeynep tufekci Retweeted Alasdair Munro

          From a researcher on children & COVID. We just can't do "0-19" or even "10-19" reporting. Such misinformation has costs: we're opening up colleges (yikes) and then sending infected young adults home (more yikes) while keeping K-6 completely shut down.https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1300807417798823938 …

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          Alasdair MunroVerified account @apsmunro
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          Anyone who talks about COVID-19 in "children" and doesn't differentiate a 5 year old from a 15 year old isn't worth listening to for that exact reason
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        1. Catherine Koebel‏ @cmkoeb 1 Sep 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I was with you until the end on “kids are not super spreaders.” Kids are capable of driving a respiratory pandemic. Whether kids are drivers is based on their behavior/environment. Put them in unsafe school conditions & they’ll drive it & generate super spreader events

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        1. Brussels cyclo-pedestrian‏ @bXLpedestrian 1 Sep 2020
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          I don't really understand why people keep saying kids aren't super spreaders. Is anyone saying they are? Wouldn't them them being "normal" spreaders like adults, or even close to that, be a big problem on its own?

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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020

          That's not relevant since this data includes teens in college or in the workforce!

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        2. Jordan Hedberg‏ @JordanHedberg 1 Sep 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          You make several basic mistakes here. 1.Flu mortality is much lower than COVID. 2. Kids can get infected and infect others. This makes schools super spreader events. 3. Data on kids is limited because schools shut down last spring.

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        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 1 Sep 2020
          Replying to @JordanHedberg

          Tons of countries have schools open so we have data. Flu mortality is lower than COVID for young kids; way higher for elderly. This is what I mean; reading US press you'd think there is no data. There actually is. The rest of the world exists!

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