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Complex systems, wicked problems. Society, technology, science and more. @UNC professor. @NYTimes columnist. My newsletter is @insight: http://www.theinsight.org 

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    1.  🔥 Kareem Carr  🔥‏ @kareem_carr 28 Aug 2020

      The biggest challenge for anybody claiming that "math isn't real" is providing a plausible explanation for why math has been so incredibly successful at predicting phenomena in the real world. How can something that's not real still predict real things?

      65 replies 10 retweets 254 likes
    2. Suresh Venkatasubramanian‏ @geomblog 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @kareem_carr

      What do you think of Wigner's essay?

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @geomblog @kareem_carr

      It's incredible that one of my favorite intellectual topics—not as something I will make a claim on, just one I like to ponder as one of the great, wonderful mysteries of the universe—has become source for a meme fight on Twitter dot com in 2020 in the middle of a pandemic.

      1 reply 1 retweet 38 likes
    4. Suresh Venkatasubramanian‏ @geomblog 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @kareem_carr

      Too much time and too much general annoyance at the world because of being cooped up?

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @geomblog @kareem_carr

      But but but I want to read about the "unreasonable effectiveness" and the "math is isomorphic to the world" and the "oh hey, it's all axioms" stuff but all we get is meme wars about 2+2... Not fair! I feel cheated.

      3 replies 2 retweets 16 likes
    6. Joshua Loftus‏ @joftius 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @zeynep @geomblog @kareem_carr

      Joshua Loftus Retweeted Joshua Loftus

      My favorite explanation for "unreasonable effectiveness" is the same as the explanation for "intelligent design" -- we're seeing the result of a long evolutionary process, cultural evolution in the case of mathhttps://twitter.com/joftius/status/1298991259621580814 …

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      Joshua Loftus @joftius
      #mathisntreal it's just a language/game that evolves with the constraints of being useful for certain things https://twitter.com/graciegcunning/status/1298804338727489536 …
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    7. Suresh Venkatasubramanian‏ @geomblog 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @joftius @zeynep @kareem_carr

      This goes to one of Hamming's responses to Wigner as documented here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences#Richard_Hamming …

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    8. Joshua Loftus‏ @joftius 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @geomblog @zeynep @kareem_carr

      I love the first of those 4 points. I think my argument is a synthesis of the first two

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Aug 2020
      Replying to @joftius @geomblog @kareem_carr

      I was recently asked—in earnest, as kids do—why the universe exists. For us to wonder about, I found myself saying without thinking and upon reflecting, it is one of my answers. Still, we co-evolved with it and that's why math works is .. dunno. It feels like believing in magic.

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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 28 Aug 2020
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      Also feels like the wrong direction. Copernicus and Darwin and the whole process that decenters humans in the explanatory structure of the universe—then we go back to put us in the center to account for math (and/or wave function collapse)? Sense of humor required for this one.😀

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        1. Joshua Loftus‏ @joftius 28 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep @geomblog @kareem_carr

          I get why it feels that way, but I do believe there's an important difference between e.g. geocentrism as a doctrine and understanding that our observations occurring from the reference frame of Earth come with observation biases or relativity implications

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