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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Aug 2020

      zeynep tufekci Retweeted Sarah Frier

      This is acknowledgment of what many of us have been saying for a long time, and this applies to Apple and Google, too. The individualized "consent" regime is not about choice, but about the defaults and obscurity of the underlying reality of our tech surveillance environment.https://twitter.com/sarahfrier/status/1298657476909256704 …

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      Sarah FrierVerified account @sarahfrier
      Facebook says apps using its advertising network could see revenue drop 50 percent, now that iOS 14 will require users to opt in to sharing their device info. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-26/facebook-says-apple-s-changes-to-ios-will-dramatically-hurt-ads?srnd=technology-vp&sref=yBaTdxlg&utm_source=url_link …
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      zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Aug 2020

      Data privacy is not something that can be effectively regulated at the individual level because it is something akin to air pollution, a public good that requires a collective response. That's why GDPR in Europe doesn't work. From a piece I wrote in 2018. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/opinion/strava-privacy.html …pic.twitter.com/zPo8gHfioi

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        1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 27 Aug 2020

          People may want to check out this paper by @martintisne as well. Data/tech has to be examined and regulated at the society level as a collective problem; not one merely of individual consent (though that also matters). https://fsi-live.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/the_data_delusion_formatted-v3.pdf …

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        1. Priyamvada Natarajan‏ @SheerPriya 27 Aug 2020
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          What do you think of the idea of data-trusts that many UK scholars have proposed...

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        2. Daisy Bata‏ @BataDaisy 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          So accurate. We can’t choose whether to be on Facebook or on any social media bc it’s a large part of getting work/maintaining friendships/even getting news so if in the first instance our choice is gone, the rest is just a plaster

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        3. Jessica‏ @jessicamalonso 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @BataDaisy @zeynep

          Even if you aren’t and have never been on the network, you have a stake in it because of the way it is shaping our society. No one is unaffected by Facebook at this point. It has a reach and effect typically reserved for governments, who we (ostensibly) elect.

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        2. Antoin O Lachtnain‏ @antoin 27 Aug 2020
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          This is not why GDPR doesn’t work. GDPR is not a consent requirement. GDPR is not just a privacy law; privacy is only one part of the picture.

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        3. Proud European from Austria 🇪🇺 🇦🇹  🌏‏ @e2dot7182818284 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @antoin @zeynep @gerrymcgovern

          Exactly, consent is only one of the options for legal processing & the law has a lot more to it than 'consent'. Consent banners is only what most people get to see of GDPR in real life. Enforcement could be stricter, still, I find the assessment 'doesn't work' overly broad.

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        1. Pat Yale‏ @patyale 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          I know I should read the alerts about the GDPR that pop up on every article but, TBH, life is too short. And I bet i'm not the only one who just clicks "I accept" without reading what I'm accepting. As you say, this can't be sorted at the individual level.

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        1. Proud European from Austria 🇪🇺 🇦🇹  🌏‏ @e2dot7182818284 27 Aug 2020
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          2 remarks a) valid consent under GDPR has a lot more pre-conditions than just clicking ok & specifically takes note of power imbalances between whoever is asking for consent & who is giving it. b) GDPR regulates more than just what constitues valid consent.

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        2. Michael Veale‏ @mikarv 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @zeynep

          GDPR as firms (incorrectly) interpret may seem individualised, consent focussed. But if you scrutinise the text and case law, much less so. Consent a v high bar to meet: almost noone does online. Actual text and case law needs enforcement, but regulators are outgunned and timid.

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        3. Michael Veale‏ @mikarv 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @mikarv @zeynep

          The ‘i accept’ buttons people think are GDPR, are not GDPR compliant. That’s the first thing we can fix w/o legislative change. Then, there’s a whole more collective side of the GDPR you’re missing because it’s currently only visible from legal scholarship, not online practice

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